cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 5 Feb, 2009 02:17 pm
@genoves,
genoves, Define "socialistic" as it is being used in the US and other developed countries?
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okie
 
  0  
Thu 5 Feb, 2009 02:19 pm
@genoves,
genoves wrote:
And,please cut the BS about Social Justice. You and I know that it just a nice sounding term for REDISTRIBUTION OF ASSETS.


All the great ruthless dictators got their start by running on social justice, whether it was Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, Mao Tse Tung, etc. Karl Marx loved quote / unquote "social justice." Some of these people make me sick at my stomach. Why don't they go to work and get a real job, and that includes all the libs in Congress and the administration, and then please pay their taxes, that would be a breath of fresh air.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 5 Feb, 2009 02:22 pm
@okie,
Oh, you mean all those democracies converted into communism? News to me!

I missed that part of our history. Can you please summarize for me how that happened? I wish to know when they converted, and what those countries are doing today. And if I may, I'd also like to know the economic development since their conversions, living standards, and their change in lifestyles during all those periods, and compare them to all the "democratic" countries for the same periods.
genoves
 
  -1  
Thu 5 Feb, 2009 02:24 pm
@cicerone imposter,
As usual, the mindless Cicerone Imposter makes a comment which is idiotic.

He knows very well that the world is becoming more capitialistic each cday and that even countries like China are now quasi-Capitalistic.

Socialism is dying all over the world!
old europe
 
  1  
Thu 5 Feb, 2009 02:24 pm
@okie,
Weak argument. Some dictators got into power by promising to bring down unemployment.

That doesn't mean that the idea of lowering unemployment numbers is objectionable.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 5 Feb, 2009 02:26 pm
@genoves,
If socialism is dying all over the world, how the can US become socialistic?
genoves
 
  -1  
Thu 5 Feb, 2009 02:28 pm
@old europe,
Really? Please name the countries of the world which can be considered to have SOCIALIST governments. When and if you do, I will list which countries usedto have Socialistic governments and are now becoming at least quasi- Capitialistic.

You obviously have not read Friedman's Pulitizer Prize Winning book--The Earth is Flat. If you had, you would know that Socialism is dead or dying all over the world.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 5 Feb, 2009 02:31 pm
@genoves,
genoves, It's the economy, stupid! The government of China is still "communist." Their economy is converting into capitalism. Big difference.
genoves
 
  0  
Thu 5 Feb, 2009 02:58 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Big difference??? When an economy is Capitalistic, Communism disappears.

Note:

Feed


Where Communism Still Exists in China

Posted in The Vance Report on 09/21/2008 05:37 pm by Robert Vance
A few months ago, I wrote an post entitled Why China is no Longer a Communist Country. In the article, I detailed how China’s development over the past 30 years has taken it away from its communist upbringing and transformed it into a socialist system. Today, while China is still ruled under a totalitarian form of government, it is far from the communist state that Chairman Mao envisioned. However, communism is still very evident in one aspect of Chinese society. That is, the way in which Chinese families and friends take care of each other in the good times and the bad times.

Before Deng Xiaoping took power in 1978, the vast majority of people in China were peasants who were fighting for survival in a destitute and starving land. During my discussions with people from China’s older generation, I have heard many stories of Chinese people having to eat tree roots and grass when they were young. Others have told me that hunger was a feeling that they simply had to get used to;it was a way of life. There was no time to think about leisure or entertainment during these hard time. Every waking minute was spent figuring out how to ‘make ends meet’ so that there would be food on the table for the next meal.

It was this extremely difficult and often heart wrenching period of time in Chinese history, however, that helped to bring the Chinese people closer together than ever before. The survival of one’s own family was of course of utmost importance, but Chinese families and friends helped each other as best they could within their little communes by sharing food and other resources when possible.If someone in the community became sick, knowledgeable neighbors in the area would treat them with herbal medicines and others would help to take care of some of the daily chores. Extended family members, especially, took care of each other as much as possible, giving each other money and goods whenever someone had a little excess. The Chinese people knew that if there was ever any hope of bringing their generation out of the oppressive darkness, they would have to ’stick’ together.

Today, this communism in Chinese society has not dissappeared even 30 years after Deng Xiaoping opened China to the world. While China’s fortunes have greatly improved in the last few decades, there is still too much instability in this developing country and Chinese families often find themselves caught up in a frustrating cycle of comfortable prosperity and financial struggle.

“My relatives were very rich some years ago,” a friend explained to me recently, “so they lent my family money to start a business. Now our business is doing well but they are not as rich as before. We have had to lend them money.” Such stories are common in China. Friends and family members lend each other money willingly knowing that in a few years they may need to ask for help themselves.

Recently, I visited a friend in Central China who had recently undergone an operation in the hospital. Relatives from the countryside came to visit her and many of them gave her money before they left. I asked her why they did this and she said that it was a tradition in China for extended family members to give money even if the sick person did not need it.



“They’ll get their money back,” she said. “When someone in their family is sick, we will all donate to them. That is just the way it works.”

That is the way it works in a country where there is so much uncertainty. While Chinese families these days may not be struggling to put food on the table, there is security in knowing that your family members and friends will be there to help in an emergency.

In some small Chinese communities, neighbors still share dinner together. “At night in my hometown, we always went from house to house enjoying a tasty dish until we were full,” a young man explained to me. He described what sounded like a community potluck where the ‘townsfolk’ would mingle with each other while enjoying delicious food and interesting conversation.

The still commonly used greeting “have you eaten” may not hold as much significance as it once did in China but communism on a societal level is still alive and well here. As well it should be. Communism dictated to a society by a political entity can never work, but when it comes from the heart, the result is a society of people who rely on each other instead of on the government. This is communism at its best.

********************************************************************

You are the one that is stupid, Cicerone Imposter. Di d you ever think of taking reading lessons. It is clear that you never read anything. Is that why you almost never post links?
Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Thu 5 Feb, 2009 08:45 pm
Yeah, he's CHANGE.

Now comes the apologists.



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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 5 Feb, 2009 08:48 pm
@genoves,
From your article:

Quote:
Today, while China is still ruled under a totalitarian form of government, it is far from the communist state that Chairman Mao envisioned. However, communism is still very evident in one aspect of Chinese society.


The article also fails to detail all the pollution problems that increases every day for the people of China. In many villages, drinking water must be trucked in. One-third of their rivers are polluted, and Beijing still suffers from their toxic air.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 5 Feb, 2009 09:00 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I'll repeat what I already posted, because it seems to have been missed:

Re: genoves (Post 3562943)
genoves, It's the economy, stupid! The government of China is still "communist." Their economy is converting into capitalism. Big difference.

A rose by any other name is still a rose.

From Wiki:
Quote:
Power within the government of the People's Republic of China is divided among three bodies: the Communist Party of China, the state, and the People's Liberation Army. This article is concerned with the formal structure of the state, its departments and their responsibilities. All positions of significant power in the state structure and in the army are occupied by members of the Communist Party of China which is controlled by the Politburo Standing Committee of the Communist Party of China, a group of 5 to 9 people, usually all men, who make all decisions of national significance. As the role of the Army is to enforce these decisions in times of crisis, support of the PLA is important.
genoves
 
  -1  
Fri 6 Feb, 2009 12:39 am
@cicerone imposter,
I think you missed my post, Cic erione Imposter. Since you have prob ab ly never read Marx.( I am sure you would not understand him), you do not know that the economic systemof the country DEFINES the country's political stance.

Re: cicerone imposter (Post 3562950)
Big difference??? When an economy is Capitalistic, Communism disappears.

Note:

Feed


Where Communism Still Exists in China

Posted in The Vance Report on 09/21/2008 05:37 pm by Robert Vance
A few months ago, I wrote an post entitled Why China is no Longer a Communist Country. In the article, I detailed how China’s development over the past 30 years has taken it away from its communist upbringing and transformed it into a socialist system. Today, while China is still ruled under a totalitarian form of government, it is far from the communist state that Chairman Mao envisioned. However, communism is still very evident in one aspect of Chinese society. That is, the way in which Chinese families and friends take care of each other in the good times and the bad times.

Before Deng Xiaoping took power in 1978, the vast majority of people in China were peasants who were fighting for survival in a destitute and starving land. During my discussions with people from China’s older generation, I have heard many stories of Chinese people having to eat tree roots and grass when they were young. Others have told me that hunger was a feeling that they simply had to get used to;it was a way of life. There was no time to think about leisure or entertainment during these hard time. Every waking minute was spent figuring out how to ‘make ends meet’ so that there would be food on the table for the next meal.

It was this extremely difficult and often heart wrenching period of time in Chinese history, however, that helped to bring the Chinese people closer together than ever before. The survival of one’s own family was of course of utmost importance, but Chinese families and friends helped each other as best they could within their little communes by sharing food and other resources when possible.If someone in the community became sick, knowledgeable neighbors in the area would treat them with herbal medicines and others would help to take care of some of the daily chores. Extended family members, especially, took care of each other as much as possible, giving each other money and goods whenever someone had a little excess. The Chinese people knew that if there was ever any hope of bringing their generation out of the oppressive darkness, they would have to ’stick’ together.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 6 Feb, 2009 11:22 am
@genoves,
Robert Vance doesn't know what he's talking about. I do not rely on one source to inform me about this world of politics or economics; that's what fools do.

The government of China still claims it's a communist country. You're trying to tell us they don't know, even though they continue to run their country through the same government procedures and process?
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okie
 
  0  
Fri 6 Feb, 2009 11:58 am
The president can't even be on time. If he ever did this in a real job, he probably wouldn't even keep his job. Now we have a president that can't even be on time, like the great Bill Clinton, another dud of a president.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/02/05/obamas-tardiness-sets-apart-predecessor/

"When it comes to following the clock, Obama closely resembles Bill Clinton, who was famously late to events when he was president. By contrast, Bush despised being late and punctual to a fault. He set the tone early in his presidency -- he arrived at the Capitol five minutes early for his inauguration.

"To me, being tardy, it's got to be one of two things," said presidential historian Doug Wead, who advised both Bush and his father, George H.W. Bush. "Bad organization that can be corrected, or it's arrogance. It sounds to me like this is arrogance.""

cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 6 Feb, 2009 12:03 pm
@okie,
okie, Here again you come out with some revelation that has no bearing on "competence, productivity and efficiency." Compared to GW Bush and gang, Obama (been in office less than a month) and Clinton were so much higher in their performance your mentioning the clock is not only asinine to the extreme but stupid - as usual.

This is from CBS News:
Quote:
COLUMN: Record Breaker! Bush Takes Most Vacation Days For Sitting President


Why don't you crawl back from where you came, and disappear, you worthless piece of ****!
okie
 
  0  
Fri 6 Feb, 2009 01:47 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

okie, Here again you come out with some revelation that has no bearing on "competence, productivity and efficiency."


Being late all the time has no effect upon competence, productivity, and efficiency, did I hear you right, ci?
LOL!!
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Fri 6 Feb, 2009 01:50 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:
Quote:
"Being late all the time..."


Okay, show us when and how Obama has been "late all the time," and what they actually harmed in terms of his competence?
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genoves
 
  0  
Sun 8 Feb, 2009 02:18 am
@cicerone imposter,
What a moronic conclusion!!! If AIDS infection is falling all over the world,how can Africa's rate rise? Because they do not take precautions against the infection.
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genoves
 
  -1  
Sun 8 Feb, 2009 02:31 am
@okie,
Okie- Obama screwed up badly. He admitted it. His organization, with massive power to call up data from the FBI, IRS, etc., did not discover the problems with the Daschle, Richardson and Geithner nominations.

Obama's Job Approval Rating has dropped six percentage points since his inaguration.

When the American people discover that they have been gulled by the so called stimulus package, Obama will run into a great deal of trouble in the 2010 elections which, as you know,elects all House members and one third of Senators..

You may be aware that many African-Americans joke about being on time by referring to "cptime"--colored peoples' time.
 

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