Obama '08?

@nimh,

nimh wrote:

Yeoman's work by Old Europe, which reminds me why I dont bother anymore. Even the best of conservatives respond to his question-by-question fact-checking with broad, ideologized abstractions and bromides. When I read Old Europe's efforts, I feel like I should still make them too, but I just dont see the point anymore. Round and round we go forever on the same questions.

We are about to be able to examine the wisdom of oe's yeomans work, as Obama is now given the responsibility of actually making a decision instead of criticizing somebody else's decisions. The shoe is on the other foot, and we shall see. If we are allowed freedom of speech, we will be here to remind of the consequences, etc.

We already see the man that promised a more open administration is consulting his lawyers to declare him innocent of any wrong-doing, and of course what would you expect them to declare, this before he even takes office. Alot of us are more than nervous, nimh, why don't you take a poll on that, what percentage of people are nervous, and what confidence does the economy have in Obama. It is no surprise that the pundits are seeking to lower expectations in a very big way, this after the man promised us almost everything, including lowering sea levels for us. Will he do much more than go have a workout every morning and play a little basketball, is that about it? But am I surprised in regard to someone that has no experience whatsoever in running anything, besides organizing Chicago, whatever that involves, and a campaign. I don't detect alot of excitement anymore, after the election, its as if the hurrahs are over, and now what? Back to reality, and alot of us are not that optimistic.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

BTW, I notice you totally ignored that report when it came out.
Why is that?

I don't read the Telegraph that often.
But I got the original report even earlier than it was in the media.

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@old europe,

old europe wrote:

I'm sure Walter would be happy to follow the interpretation of the Constitution as the United States Supreme Court sees it.

That totally correct. (Like many others, I've sometimes a different opinion of what the constitution- ours, that of the USA or some other country - means. But due to my legal "training" some 'stuff' is deeply burnt in my brains ...)

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@Walter Hinteler,

So then you admit that its a factual report, and that the German troops in Afghanistan are almost useless, because they arent in good enough shape to do the job assigned to them.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

So then you admit that its a factual report, and that the German troops in Afghanistan are almost useless, because they arent in good enough shape to do the job assigned to them.

This are my last responses here:

Walter Hinteler wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

BTW, I notice you totally ignored that report when it came out.
Why is that?

I don't read the Telegraph that often.
But I got the original report even earlier than it was in the media.

Walter Hinteler wrote:

old europe wrote:

I'm sure Walter would be happy to follow the interpretation of the Constitution as the United States Supreme Court sees it.

That totally correct. (Like many others, I've sometimes a different opinion of what the constitution- ours, that of the USA or some other country - means. But due to my legal "training" some 'stuff' is deeply burnt in my brains ...)

Where did I admit [sic!] what you put in my mouth?

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

So then you admit that its a factual report, and that the German troops in Afghanistan are almost useless, because they arent in good enough shape to do the job assigned to them.

I know written response by the Minstry of Defense re a question by the liberal (FDP) lawmaker Elke Hoff, from early November.

Could you provide a source for
"the German High Command says that German troops are not up to the task",
"the German troops are almost useless ..."?

Thank you.

Oh, by the way: Germany doesn't have a "High Command" since 1945.
Could you please update.
Thank you.

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Mr. Obama seems to be a bit puffed up in himself it seems to me. I would liken it to be like a rookie asking to wear Babe Ruth's jersey in his first game in the big leagues before he even has one lick of experience or has done anything whatsoever, not even a bloop single off the end of the bat. This is not a good sign, folks. Its phony. There is nothing sacred to this man. I would take this as a very bad sign:

"Obama to Be Sworn in With Lincoln Bible
President-elect Barack Obama will take the oath of office over the same Bible President Lincoln used at his first inauguration in 1861. "

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/23/obama-sworn-using-lincoln-bible/

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@okie,

A very bad sign that Obama is taking his oath on Lincoln's bible? Heaven forbid that he presume to take inspiration from our 16th president.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Quote:

Oh, by the way: Germany doesn't have a "High Command" since 1945.
Could you please update.
Thank you

I know that, but I dont know if Germany has its own version of the Pentagon and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, or what the name for it is.
I used words that would get my meaning across, and you obviously understood what I meant,so my choice oof words did what I intended it to do.
If it offends you, thats not my problem.

Quote:

Could you provide a source for
"the German High Command says that German troops are not up to the task",
"the German troops are almost useless ..."?

"almost useless" is my opinion, and that comes from having worked with them.
"not up to the Task" comes from reading several of the reports I found on line.

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@okie,

I bet if you were to read that Bible a little you'd find that it's about the same God and Jesus that is in a bible printed up say last week or something.

You don't surely mean that maybe Obma has decided to believe in the same God as Lincoln do you?

that nervy son of a bitch.

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@okie,

What does it matter what Bible is used?

I personally have no problem with it, if he wanted to use a Guttenberg Bible that would be fine also.
The Bible, the Koran, the Torah, they all speak about the same God, so whats the problem?

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@mysteryman,

"Oberkommanda" ('High Command') is a term used during the Nazi period.
It offends any German who has been or is the Bundeswehr.

I suppose that I had "admitted" something is your opinion as well.
I declare, however, that you only know me online.

When you had worked with the Bundeswehr and thus can rate them "almost useless" you certainly can have a judgement about them "not being up to the task".

I didn't get such military education, neither at the naval college nor during the training as a naval officer.
Your expertise about the Bundeswehr might be correct, I can't say anything similar about other military forces since I've only some experiences with various NATO naval units and some NATO staff officers during my work as a translator.

Thanks, and have a nice Christmas.

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@mysteryman,

I guess he can use whatever Bible, but I am simply registering what I think this shows in terms of judging his character and personality. You could interpret it as a sincere and respectful symbol of his intents and purposes, but I don't, I think it may be a symptom of his arrogance. I think he is using symbolism to try to fool people into thinking he is another Lincoln. Nobody could be another Lincoln and I think he shouldn't try to make that parallel, as he is a long ways from Lincoln. I had a guy try to suggest that to me and I was incredulous that he actually believed that.

Count on it, if this was Bush doing that, there would be accusations of hypocrisy from the left, but at least Bush is a Republican. Obama is not even close to a Lincoln in terms of what he believes or will do in my opinion. He doesn't even belong to the same party, and I somewhat resent his attempt to be all things to all people, as if he agrees with everyone when he doesn't. In fact, what does the man believe? It isn't easy to tell. The guy he asked to do prayer, I don't actually care because I am not a fan of whoever he is, but it is total symbolism, that is all it is, there is no way Obama agrees with him. It is total symbolism over substance. Therefore I brought this up, it is all about Obama, not the country. We have a very self absorbed man as president now.

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@okie,

yup, next thing ya know he's gonna be wanting to go watch a play at Ford's Theatre...

Rolling Eyes

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@okie,

okie wrote:

"Obama to Be Sworn in With Lincoln Bible
President-elect Barack Obama will take the oath of office over the same Bible President Lincoln used at his first inauguration in 1861. "

Good for him. He's been a Lincoln fan for a long time. I'm sure it'll mean a lot to him to be sworn in on that Bible.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

I guess he can use whatever Bible, but I am simply registering what I think this shows in terms of judging his character and personality.

I think, you are correct here.
Quite often Obama has cited the first Illinois congressman to end up in the White Houseas as his role model, e.g. "We are not enemies but friends..." - during his victory speech at Chicago's Grant Park, and a line from the Gettysburg Address - "the new birth of freedom" - is the theme for his inauguration.

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@Walter Hinteler,

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time. "Abraham Lincoln, (attributed)
16th president of US (1809 - 1865)

Again, Lincoln is his hero, what a laugh, the guy is not even a Republican, he is an ultra-liberal Democrat. Get a grip, folks.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Again, Lincoln is his hero, what a laugh, the guy is not even a Republican, he is an ultra-liberal Democrat. Get a grip, folks.

He's not acting like an ultra-liberal democrat. If anything, he's acting like Lincoln. At what point will you admit that actions speak louder than words, or do you prefer just to never give him a chance.

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okie wrote:

I guess he can use whatever Bible, but I am simply registering what I think this shows in terms of judging his character and personality. You could interpret it as a sincere and respectful symbol of his intents and purposes, but I don't, I think it may be a symptom of his arrogance. I think he is using symbolism to try to fool people into thinking he is another Lincoln. Nobody could be another Lincoln and I think he shouldn't try to make that parallel, as he is a long ways from Lincoln. I had a guy try to suggest that to me and I was incredulous that he actually believed that.

Let me guess, you heard this on AM radio.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

Let me guess, you heard this on AM radio.

To be perfectly accurate, I came to the computer, checked the news stories, and then posted my opinion before I heard anything on the radio at all. Then I turned on Rush, guess what, he agrees with me, which is one reason I listen to him, he has some common sense at least part of the time. He mirrors what I said, Obama has done n0thing so far, nothing, what has he ever done? And he tries to compare himself to Lincoln? Rush says it is "grotesque." I didn't go that far, but to be honest I don't find the description all that far off. Its image over substance, phoniness at its finest. Look up the definition of "charlatan."

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