blatham
 
  1  
Thu 13 Nov, 2008 09:43 am
Goddamn I love this lady.
Quote:
Helen Thomas Returns to White House Beat--Already Criticizing Obama!

By E&P Staff
Published: November 12, 2008 6:45 PM ET
NEWYORK After surviving some health issues, Helen Thomas, the most veteran White House scribe, is ready to take on Barack Obama!

She's returned to her White House beat and is already complaining about him naming too many Clintonistas. She says she will not give Obama a honeymoon-- oh, maybe, one day.

Thomas reveals that she did vote for Obama and never thought there would be a black president. She says that Bobby Kennedy told her in the 1960s that there would be one in 30 years, and it just took a little longer than that.
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003890531

spendius
 
  1  
Thu 13 Nov, 2008 04:32 pm
@blatham,
According to our headline news tonight Mr Obama is already warmongering in Afghanistan. His ability to hold to his promise to withdraw troops from Iraq is conditional on the success of Mr Bush's policies. Certain regions of Pakistan are involved as well I presume.
okie
 
  0  
Thu 13 Nov, 2008 10:58 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

According to our headline news tonight Mr Obama is already warmongering in Afghanistan. His ability to hold to his promise to withdraw troops from Iraq is conditional on the success of Mr Bush's policies. Certain regions of Pakistan are involved as well I presume.

Obama will finally have to do something more important than campaigning, for the first time in his life, so this will be more than interesting, it will be scary. We've handed over the keys to the oceanliner to somebody thats never even driven a rowboat.

By the way, interesting in the religion interview, Mr. Obama admitted Wright was a good friend, and that he attended church every Sunday and so I presume he heard all of his wild eyed shouts and proclamations. Good friend of the dear old Father Phleger too. Something else I learned, he joined one of the churches that hired him to community organize. That makes sense, he at least knows not to bite the hand that fed him.

Note, Obama is encouraging bail out of auto makers, the same auto makers that the Democrat's union friends helped to literally drive into virtual bankruptcy. If you don't believe it, look up the hourly cost of the auto workers.
okie
 
  1  
Thu 13 Nov, 2008 11:10 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:


Whether you believe it or not, please be assured that I have no intention of trampling your 'rights,' okie. Specifically, which 'rights' do you think I don't mind trampling, btw? A large part of our mission is to protect people's rights, something which you have never given a damn about.

How about the "fairness doctrine" for one. More erosion of property rights would be another. Fair elections, could be another, this will continue to erode. Also, I know people that might never have existed if it was left up to you to judge rights.

Quote:
I hope the government is intimidated by us. Republican and Democrat alike. I hope that they fear, deep down, that if they don't do what we say, we're going to kick every last one of them out of office. It's about Goddamn time somebody reminded them that they are servants and not rulers.

Cycloptichorn

Not just government, I get the impression you intend to intimidate anyone that disagrees with you. Sorry to be so blunt, but I find the attitude deeply troubling.
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spendius
 
  1  
Fri 14 Nov, 2008 06:19 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
I hope the government is intimidated by us. Republican and Democrat alike. I hope that they fear, deep down, that if they don't do what we say, we're going to kick every last one of them out of office. It's about Goddamn time somebody reminded them that they are servants and not rulers.


The theory is that your pleasure knows no limit and so you are always disappointed and kick them out forever until you have nobody left to kick out and you are left to shift for yourself. And may God have mercy upon your soul.

They are rulers you silly moo. You are a servant. If you don't like it you know what you have to do to change your status. Mr Obama has just given a DIY guide.
spendius
 
  1  
Fri 14 Nov, 2008 06:24 pm
@okie,
Quote:
Obama is encouraging bail out of auto makers


The "bail out" was always going to be a pork job. How could it possibly be otherwise?
okie
 
  0  
Fri 14 Nov, 2008 10:23 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Quote:
Obama is encouraging bail out of auto makers


The "bail out" was always going to be a pork job. How could it possibly be otherwise?

Typical government solutions, treat the symptom, not the problem. The reason GM, Ford, and Chryser are going broke is one reason being the unions have run them into the ground. I read that average wage, including benefits, total cost of auto workers is in the neighborhood of 70 to 80 some dollars per hour, vs Toyota at about half that. Well, any dufus that knows how to add should be able to figure out that if you throw more money down a rat hole, that rat hole not having a bottom, how smart is that?

The solution to this problem is to bust the unions and bring wages and benefits into the world of reality, the reality of a free market, and then reform corporate rules or regulations, to make it much more difficult for executives to pay themselves millions while their companies are going broke. Give the stockholders more say in executive compensation, after all, stockholders are supposed to own the companies.

But for government to throw money at the auto makers without fixing the underlying problems is stupidity at its finest.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Fri 14 Nov, 2008 10:28 pm
@spendius,
You are quite the card spendius.

I do enjoy your posts, and marvel how they tend to rarely invite the slings and arrows of outraged liberals.
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okie
 
  0  
Fri 14 Nov, 2008 10:35 pm
@okie,
One other comment, we need to separate companies from providing insurance for their employees, that should not be their job, it should be the job of people. McCain incidentally proposed trying to begin to do that, but people were too dumb to recognize something good when they saw it.

One of the reasons for the auto makers being in such big trouble is the skyrocketing medical insurance costs, so we need to shift the burden from companies. After all, should they buy auto insurance or pay your house payment for you too?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Fri 14 Nov, 2008 10:52 pm
@spendius,
Democratic support of a bailout of the Detroit automakers is, without doubt, payback for Union support in the 2008 elections.

What's more, there is no intention to limit the quid pro quo to this political maneuver.

The cynically misnamed "Employee Free Choice Act" is the real payback.

This insidious piece of legislation will eliminate the American worker's right to a secret ballot on union representation and open the door wide for the deployment of classic union intimidation tactics.

The goal is to provide unions with new and healthier hosts than those they have bled dry.

If only the trypanosoma brucei protozoa could fund tsetse flies the way unions fund Democrats. Just think how widespread nagana might be.
okie
 
  0  
Fri 14 Nov, 2008 11:02 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Socialists love unions, the supposed "working class." Ha ha, as if the rest of us do not work.

Unions are not about free choice, they are all about forcing everyone to be under their thumb. They have dictator mindsets, just like their political counterparts.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  2  
Sat 15 Nov, 2008 12:03 am
@okie,
Unions in America are a perfect example of how a good thing can easily go very bad.

When the union movement first began in America it was in response to a legitimate need. Companies did take egregious advantage of workers and uniting to represent an effective counter-force not only made sense, it advanced societal virtue.

Eventually, though, the power that flowed through unions corrupted those that led them, and this trend has remained unabated long after the utility of unions came into question.

The Courts have leveled the playing field all too well. Workers no longer need unions unless it is to bully their employees into deals that will inevitably bankrupt them --- Unions as parasites.

Are the workers in Toyota, Honda, and BMW plants in the South being exploited by their employers?

Politicians that align themselves with union leaders are not declaring solidarity with champions of the American Worker; they are doing deals with, at best, amoral power brokers.

If the greatest trick of the Devil is to convince mankind he doesn't exist, the second or third best trick is to convince so many people that unions are forces of goodness in America.



spendius
 
  1  
Sat 15 Nov, 2008 06:11 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
What makes me snigger is that these union loving liberals are all pro Darwinianism and unions are anathema to that.

Obviously, the progressive mutations would be voted down by the ordinary, average chump and would vanish from the record.

Actually Darwin himself was anti-evolution. He believed that physical characteristics in humans were of no account compared to the social position granted by mere birth. We arrived at "lions led by donkeys" in short order.

All nepotism is anti-Darwinian.
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okie
 
  0  
Sat 15 Nov, 2008 09:09 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I have no clue why unions wish to destroy the very companies that provide them the jobs, unless for one possible reason, there is an ulterior motive?
Ticomaya
 
  0  
Sat 15 Nov, 2008 09:13 pm
Obama is already helping the local economy:

Quote:
November 14, 2008

Valley gun shops' sales rise after Obama elected
Comments 16 | Recommend 3
W.J. Hennigan, For the Tribune


The change that President-elect Barack Obama was calling for on the campaign trail has yet to come to Washington, D.C., but it seems to have already reached gun stores in the Valley.

Gun sales have spiked in recent weeks, store owners say, as customers rush in fearful that the impending Obama administration and Democratic-controlled Congress will tighten firearm regulations or even reinstate an assault-weapons ban.

"The day after the election, people were standing in front of our doors," said Joe Sirochman, owner of American Spirit Arms in Scottsdale. "And that demand has yet to stop."

American Spirit's business has jumped 500 percent in recent weeks. It's a surge, Sirochman said, that can be directly traced back to the election of Obama as the next president.

"People are telling us that they are worried that certain guns might be banned," he said. "And Obama's policies aren't a secret."

In the past, Obama has said he supports Second Amendment rights. But he also has made comments that indicate he would favor banning assault weapons, as took place during the Clinton administration. And because of this, Sirochman said, American Spirit's sales have been through the roof.

American Spirit manufactures and sells guns to other retailers across the nation. One of its semiautomatic rifles, the AR-15, is so hotly sought after that it's now only available on backorder. With such high demand, Sirochman has had to increase the price of the rifle from $839 to $875.

But large stores and manufacturers aren't the only shops benefiting from the presidential change of guard. Kate Krueger, owner of Derby Guns in Scottsdale, said her store also has seen a leap in sales.

The shop went from selling a couple of guns a week to selling a couple of guns a day, she said.

"It was a rugged year, we couldn't sell anything," Krueger said. "But as soon as the elections began to heat up, we started selling."

It's a trend that seems to be sweeping the nation.

Because local, state and federal agencies do not track gun sales, the best way to look at these numbers is to examine the number of checks done through the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System. Andrew Molchan, director of the Professional Gun Retailers Association, said that 98.4 percent of these background checks end up in sales.

There were almost 1.2 million checks done last month. This is nearly 160,000 more than the preceding month. If December holiday sales are not included, October is the highest month for background checks in almost 10 years.

Scott Wesch, owner of Mesa Gun Shop, said before the election his sales were stagnant because of the economic downturn and high gas prices. But a few weeks ago, his products started moving again.

Wesch's been in the business 27 years. And he's seen a Democratic administration come to power. This one is different, he said, because people are actively seeking out military-pattern and semiautomatic firearms.

"It seems that people are worried about laws changing," he said. "They've seen what happened under Clinton, they don't want to wait this time."
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Diest TKO
 
  2  
Sun 16 Nov, 2008 01:54 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

I have no clue why unions wish to destroy the very companies that provide them the jobs, unless for one possible reason, there is an ulterior motive?

Seriously okie, you're being a paranoid nutjob here.

Even if we assume you are correct that unions destroy their employer, it's outstandingly stupid to conclude that said destruction was a part of the union's "wishes" or some ulterior motive. That's just crazy talk.

I'd love to hear some of your theories on what "ulterior motives" may be at the root of union activity. I need a laugh.

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spendius
 
  1  
Sun 16 Nov, 2008 07:36 am
@Diest TKO,
If you see union activity as a microcosm of Union activity you should at least be able to raise a smile.
Diest TKO
 
  1  
Sun 16 Nov, 2008 07:48 am
@spendius,
I raise a smile every time I get to read one of your kindergarten thoughts Spendi.

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K
O
spendius
 
  1  
Sun 16 Nov, 2008 07:55 am
@Diest TKO,
Really TKO, you should try not to use twee assertions to bolster your self esteem. It's so infantile. Anybody can do it. Even little girls.
Diest TKO
 
  1  
Sun 16 Nov, 2008 08:23 am
@spendius,
Your contribution to the thread is embryonic Spendi. Each time, each thought, so singular and simple. To say I'm infantile is still to remind me that your intellectual acumen is cellular in comparison.

Either you agree with okie that unions have some ulterior motive and ant to tell us what that is, or you are just doing your regular cry for attention.

Your barstool is getting cold. Run along now.

T
K
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