blueflame1
 
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Wed 12 Nov, 2008 12:36 pm
Obama's Fascinating Interview with Cathleen Falsani
Tuesday November 11, 2008
The most detailed and fascinating explication of Barack Obama's faith came in a 2004 interview he gave Chicago Sun Times columnist Cathleen Falsani when he was running for U.S. Senate in Illinois. The column she wrote about the interview has been quoted and misquoted many times over, but she'd never before published the full transcript in a major publication.

Because of how controversial that interview became, Falsani has graciously allowed us to print the full conversation here.
http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/11/obamas-interview-with-cathleen.html
Ticomaya
 
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Wed 12 Nov, 2008 12:54 pm
@blatham,
And he'll be walking across the water for an encore, no doubt.
JPB
 
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Wed 12 Nov, 2008 12:57 pm
@blueflame1,
fascinating!
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Thomas
 
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Wed 12 Nov, 2008 02:16 pm
So, what's the verdict in this thread? Does Obama have a shot at the presidency or not?
dlowan
 
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Wed 12 Nov, 2008 02:43 pm
@Thomas,
A shot?

I was heartened to read his team are already targeting which of Bush's notorious signing statements and suchlike they can get rid of just via executive power as soon as they hit the West Wing.

I'd say the gun's out of the holster.


spendius
 
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Wed 12 Nov, 2008 03:32 pm
@dlowan,
Well- Mr Bush has had fair warning and time to consider such options.

When Mr Obama was charged with inexperience I presumed it meant he hadn't had much contact with high powered politicians of long standing.

BTW dwollie-- machismo metaphors are unbecoming from the fair ones. How about dismissed with a wave of the fan? It's not very good but it's the best I can do.
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blatham
 
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Wed 12 Nov, 2008 03:36 pm
@Ticomaya,
Quote:
And he'll be walking across the water for an encore, no doubt.

Yes. Five times as many lithe and light water-borne steps as Bush could manage before he sank like a dirty hard-drive heaved into the Ptomac.
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blatham
 
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Wed 12 Nov, 2008 03:38 pm
@dlowan,
Quote:
Hopeful signs on health care
This is very big news. One of the key questions about the new Democratic majority was whether Congress would try to play it safe, backing down on big ideas about reform, especially on health care. You can view the whole chorus about how we’re still a “center-right nation” as an attempt by the usual suspects to scare Democrats into scaling back their ambitions.

But now Max Baucus " Max Baucus! " is leading the charge on a health care plan that, at least at first read, is more like Hillary Clinton’s than Barack Obama’s; that is, it looks like an attempt at full universality. (The word I hear, by the way, is that Obama’s opposition to mandates was tactical politics, not conviction " so he may well be prepared to do the right thing now that the election is won.)

So this looks very good for the reformers. There’s now a reasonable chance that universal health care will be enacted next year!
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/12/hopeful-signs-on-health-care/
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JPB
 
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Wed 12 Nov, 2008 03:50 pm
Oh my freakin god.
Quote:
Gov. Sarah Palin said Wednesday that she would be honored to help President-elect Barack Obama in his new administration, even if he did hang around with an "unrepentant domestic terrorist."

link


Let's see... what are the odds he makes her an offer?


blatham
 
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Wed 12 Nov, 2008 03:52 pm
I watched the Frontline documentary on Rove's mentor Lee Atwater last evening. The PBS site seems to be down right now but I'll link it when it becomes available.

An amazing guy. Eric Alterman says "he was the funnest person I ever met." Completely amoral until the point where cancer hit him and then it's unclear whether he really felt remorse or was just trying to spin god.

But it was a very clear reminder of how the modern right plays this game...to win...and no other consideration trumps that, certainly not honesty nor accuracy nor law.

One often hears from these folks the notion (which has always struck me as odd and wrong) that "the only thing they understand or honor is force and a winner" (as in the Islamic discourse). But the documentary brought home just how much this claim is actually projection...an unknowing self-descriptor.
blatham
 
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Wed 12 Nov, 2008 03:54 pm
@JPB,
Easy choice. Who better to head up the nation's Education chair.
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spendius
 
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Wed 12 Nov, 2008 04:15 pm
Our news told us last night that Big Blue California had voted down same sex marriage.

Isn't same sex marriage a plank of the left-wing intelligentsia? A flagship symbol.

Have you ever heard of the "revenge of the oppressed"? The Romans tried to avoid that. Gorer was detecting signs of it in the '30s.
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spendius
 
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Wed 12 Nov, 2008 04:27 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
"the only thing they understand or honor is force and a winner" (as in the Islamic discourse).


And in Evolution Theory. Which is much earlier and more persistant than Islamic discourse, whatever that is apart from a smear.

Anyway--some people prefer leaders like that. Our system selects for it. Mr Obama is a winner. With cunning replacing force as in any civilised society.

Who can get through the savage mill of politics without that being his driving force.

Bernie's so biased he doesn't even know himself. And he was a Hilaryite.
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blatham
 
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Wed 12 Nov, 2008 05:21 pm
This oughta be performed at the inaugeration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM3CYEdr5fA
spendius
 
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Wed 12 Nov, 2008 05:55 pm
@blatham,
I couldn't be arsed with the link as I know it will be boring but I doubt the advice will be taken at the swearing in. We all await the "So help me God" bit with attenuated attention.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Wed 12 Nov, 2008 07:55 pm
@blatham,
Lee Atwater the amoral political goth...as compared to those saints of public service James Carville, Terry McAuliffe, and Hamilton Jordan (Didn't he get cancer too?)
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blatham
 
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Wed 12 Nov, 2008 08:26 pm
Coverage of the Fox News set on election eve. Quite interesting.
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/CA6612774.html
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Butrflynet
 
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Thu 13 Nov, 2008 02:30 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

God damn!
Quote:
D.C.'s big Obama dilemma: What to do with the crowds?
By William Douglas | McClatchy Newspapers
As many as 1.5 million people may come to Washington for Barack Obama's inauguration Jan. 20, according to official estimates. That's five times the number that showed up for President Bush's two inaugurations.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/


There will be a Grassroots Ball in DC as well as in various locations around the country. Here's an email I got on the subject this morning from the group that is organizing it.

Quote:
Dear MYBO volunteers,

This is to let you know that a core organizing committee has formed and has been working round the clock since Friday to get our Grassroots Ball 2009 off the ground .

We have chosen a URL for the event, the website is being developed and will be ready to go soon, we are negotiating with venues and are working to solicit sponsors and underwriters to help keep the ticket price as low as we can make it.

This last is an urgent need, and anyone interested in sponsoring, purchasing advertising in the program, underwriting, or investing to help us raise the down payment on the venue should get in touch with one of us right away.

We need to rasie $40,000 before the end of next week to secure our venue big enough for a couple of thousand Obama-supporter volunteers to celebrate the fruits of our hard work, and, for many, finally meet face to face. That may sond like a lot, but remember, it was all our little donations that put Barack over the top!

If you are a fundraiser or have experience as a volunteer doing fundraising for a charitable organization, have the time right now and want to take this on, please let us hear from you! We can help put together a team to assist you.

We have been approached by a promoter who wants to take the event on with total control and financial backing, but our concern was that the event be divested of it "grassroots" significance. Like we have said throughout the campaign, we can do it, Yes.We.Can!

Reponse for this event has been staggering. Our goal is to accommodate as many wishing to attend as possible, but we can see that demand will outstrip the capacity of any facility we can find. There are as many wishing to come as worked so hard throughout the year, and we have replies from all over the country.


A group is organizing satellite The People's Balls throughout the United States. They seem to be organizing from Maryland for Obama on MYBO, for anyone interested in checking that out and organizing something in your area. We will try to get an AV set-up to watch simutanous events in DC and elsewhere from our own, and broadcast ours on live streaming video.

Anyone who has specific skills to volunteer -- particularly people in the DC area -- who can be "on the ground" and has the time, grit and flexibilty to jump on this, please be in touch. We need to move very, very quickly to make this happen. Make it clear in your subject line that you are offering help and with what.

Once the website is up, we will put the word out so you can check it for information and the announce date for ticket sales. We can no longer accept any requests for reservations by email.

Please contact one of us if you are a volunteer field organizer for the campaign.
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Butrflynet
 
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Thu 13 Nov, 2008 03:10 am
I have a question for anyone who understands this lobbying/lobbyist stuff better than I do.

This week in a press briefing it was announced by John Podesta, a co-chair of the Obama transition project that:

http://change.gov/newsroom/entry/obama_transition_announces_rules_for_lobbyists_in_transition/

Quote:
* Federal Lobbyists cannot contribute financially to the transition.
* Federal lobbyists are prohibited from any lobbying during their work with the transition.
* If someone has lobbied in the last 12 months, they are prohibited from working in the fields of policy on which they lobbied.
* If someone becomes a lobbyist after working on the Transition, they are prohibited from lobbying the Administration for 12 months on matters on which they worked.
* A gift ban that is aggressive in reducing the influence of special interests.


When I look up Podesta's bio on Wikipedia it tells me:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Podesta

Quote:
In addition, in 1988, Podesta founded with his brother Tony, Podesta Associates, Inc., a Washington, D.C. government relations and public affairs firm.


His bio at change.gov and Center for American Progress characterize the firm the same way, as a government relations and public affairs firm.

However, when I look up Podesta Group (aka Podesta Associates) on Wikipedia, it is characterized as

Quote:
The Podesta Group is a lobbying and public affairs firm based in Washington, D.C.. It was founded in 1988 by brothers John Podesta and Tony Podesta and has previously been known as Podesta Associates, podesta.com and PodestaMattoon.[1][2][3] The firm most recently reorganized in January 2007 after current Chairman Tony Podesta split with former business partner Dan Mattoon.[4]

Podesta Group represents U.S. corporations, as well as non-profits, associations and governments.[5] In 2007, the firm reported $11.02 million in lobbying income.[6] In the same year, Chairman Tony Podesta was ranked by his peers as the third most influential lobbyist in Washington.[7]


And this Washingtonian article from June, 2007 lists Podesta Group as the third most powerful lobbying firm in DC.


So here's my question. How does Podesta's role on the transition team and his partnership in the Podesta Group jive with the announced rules about lobbyists?
Butrflynet
 
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Thu 13 Nov, 2008 03:49 am
@Butrflynet,
I think the key is that lobbyists are not banned from working with Obama, but that they are banned from lobbying while doing so, or for a year afterward. If they have lobbied recently, they cannot work in those fields of policy.

If John Podesta is still an active beneficiary of the Podesta Group then that presents a problem, doesn't it? He's working in the field of transitional government. That touches on all fields of policy. There is no mention anywhere that I've read of him divesting himself as a beneficiary of the Podesta Group for the next year. And, regardless of the monetary benefit, how do you divest yourself from influence with regard to your brother ?
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