Eorl
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 08:43 pm
@okie,
okie, you advocate the extreme anti-choice position, as I'm sure you are aware, and your language includes all the usual rhetoric. What is annoying to me is your implication that things you think are evil and good are such because you say so. Similarly, your position is not honourable just because you say it is.
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fbaezer
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 08:45 pm
@realjohnboy,
realjohnboy wrote:

I admit to being conflicted over the issue of abortion. My Catholic upbringing is a factor. But on the other hand...


You have just opened a can of worms, rjb.

realjohnboy
 
  1  
Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 08:55 pm
@okie,
I conceded that abortion is an issue that conflicts me. I suspect that is true for many folks. What I object to, Okie, is you firing back with a litany of unrelated issues - from Israel, Iran, terrorism and I can't remember what else - attacking Obama. You came across as a conservative AM radio talk show host who listens to about 10 seconds of a caller's question and then launches into a 5 minute tirade about something unrelated.
I have no problem-I will not get angry-with your beliefs. You need not be ashamed or feel the need to, as you say, shut up.
But don't preach to me with that litany of condemnations of Obama when I was speaking about one topic.
That was what got me riled. I have since chilled out.
okie
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 09:03 pm
@realjohnboy,
My apologies for trying to sum up the "ifs" rjb.

Thats the way I see it.

And I think all of my list is extremely valid, no preaching, just an opinion. Israel for example, there is no way Obama will aggressively defend our ally there. You will never convince me that I am wrong on that, no way, rjb.

Yes, I come across as alarmed and abrupt about Obama, I think it is warranted. There has never been an election with so much at risk of going down the drain, just an opinion, thats all.

Last comment, I know some very nice and honorable people that will vote Obama. I just think they are wrong, misguided, or uninformed. Now, if people understand Obama, and want what he wants, then fine, but I am simply trying to point out where he may not want what you or some other Obama voter may want, and I think that is unfortunate, that people may unknowingly or unwittingly vote for someone that institutes policies that they do not agree with. Knowledge is power.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 09:09 pm
@fbaezer,
fbaezer wrote:


You have just opened a can of worms, rjb.


I doubt it, fbaezer. I see no value in continuing this one issue with only 6 days left. Some might for a few more hours.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 09:35 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Woe, first time I've heard you riled up.

Amusingly, folks, back when A2K had the pm capability, Okie and I talked about some of the economics of the oil industry. We disagreed about that subject also, but I learned a lot.
I was not meaning to snap at you. It is not my style, Okie.
But, in reference to your quote above, I did strike out at a particularly vicious poster on A2K about a year or two ago who made what, in my mind, was an appallingly racist comment about another A2k'er. I expected to get tossed off A2K.
So, fair warning, I don't get riled easily, but...
nicole415
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 11:14 pm
Quote:
but Obama has voted to consent to the death of children virtually full term.


That is a lie.
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 11:21 pm
@realjohnboy,
realjohnboy wrote:

I am starting to get inundated with robo-calls here in Virginia. Several a day in the 1/2 day I am home. All from the right. The latest and most virulent was from a group claiming to address the issue of abortion. It went something like: Do you intend to vote? Do you intend to vote for McCain or Obama? Did you know that Obama etc, etc? Pretty nasty stuff. Now that you know that, will you vote for McCain?

I admit to being conflicted over the issue of abortion. My Catholic upbringing is a factor. But on the other hand...
I suspect that this robo-call message is not going to play well in Virginia.

Virginia, BTW, is now solidly blue on Pollster.com, thanks to Johnboy and TKO.
One more task: get the vote out despite projected long lines.
That, I fear, could be a problem. My legs and my bladder won't allow me to stand in line for hours.

I may have scored a +1 Obama in Missouri too. she is a friend of mine who has never voted for a democrat before, but we had a talk in 2004, and I said that if the republicans let her down we could talk in 2008. She emailed me the other day to set up a time to talk about the issue.

T
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nicole415
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 11:23 pm
@Diest TKO,
Good job!

Anyone else planning on attending the Obama NorCal (Victory) Party?

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The Radisson is offering a significant discount on their rooms for Obama supporters who want to stay the night at the hotel. When you call them tell them discount code is "Obama".
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Contact Phone: 916-400-3252
Location:
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2008 06:22 am
@okie,
Quote:
but Obama has voted to consent to the death of children virtually full term.


Quote:
Here’s the truth about Barack Obama and the bill:

At the time Barack voted against a bill containing language designed to protect infants who were “born alive,” such protection was already on the books as Illinois state law.[1]

The accusations against Barack are so reckless that not even the Republican state senator who sponsored the bill will support them. In fact, he freely admits that “None of those who voted against SB-1082 favored infanticide.”[2]

The bill was opposed by many legislators and groups like the Illinois Medical Society because of the unintended impact it would have had on other laws and legal precedents in Illinois.[3]

Barack is on the record[3] saying that he would have supported a similar bill that came up in Congress -- but that didn’t pose a threat to a woman’s right to choose the way the Illinois bill did.[4]


Links at the source down below.
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/15/wildaccusations
blatham
 
  1  
Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2008 07:58 am
Good news, everyone! Dick Morris says that Obama still has a chance to pull this off and actually win the election.
Quote:
As Obama has oscillated, moving somewhat above or somewhat below 50 percent in all the October polls, his election likely hangs in the balance . . . Likely a disproportionate number of the undecideds will vote for McCain.

But don't write Obama off. His candidacy strikes such enthusiasm among young and minority voters that there is still a chance that a massive turnout will deliver the race to the Democrats.

nimh
 
  1  
Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2008 09:00 am
@blatham,
Heh.
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Diest TKO
 
  1  
Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2008 09:02 am
I wrote a new blog post today about voting early. I hope it will reach some of my friends.

http://theregoesourhero.blogspot.com/2008/10/chapter-22-verse-2-rhetorical-quest.html

T
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2008 09:23 am
@revel,
It is now general policy for Obama to deny what he has said or supported in the past, so this is no surprise that you would now claim Obama does not support womens choice to kill almost full term children. Obama claims lots of things, and so the spin continues, and I don't happen to believe him, not anymore. Obama is a spinster, a slickster, no doubt, he will try to make it look like he agrees with everybody, he will not commit to much of anything, except Change, which means what, who knows?
okie
 
  0  
Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2008 09:26 am
@realjohnboy,
realjohnboy wrote:

okie wrote:

Woe, first time I've heard you riled up.

Amusingly, folks, back when A2K had the pm capability, Okie and I talked about some of the economics of the oil industry. We disagreed about that subject also, but I learned a lot.
I was not meaning to snap at you. It is not my style, Okie.
But, in reference to your quote above, I did strike out at a particularly vicious poster on A2K about a year or two ago who made what, in my mind, was an appallingly racist comment about another A2k'er. I expected to get tossed off A2K.
So, fair warning, I don't get riled easily, but...

Thats fine. My style is to post what I think here, and believe. I stand by what I said about Obama and abortion. Of course, he and his supporters will spin it, as they do any issue, I don't particularly care because I don't happen to believe much of anything they say anymore. I've heard and seen enough of their bilge.

Fact remains, if you believe in partial birth abortion, vote Obama.
Diest TKO
 
  1  
Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2008 09:31 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

It is now general policy for Obama to deny what he has said or supported in the past, so this is no surprise that you would now claim Obama does not support womens choice to kill almost full term children. Obama claims lots of things, and so the spin continues, and I don't happen to believe him, not anymore. Obama is a spinster, a slickster, no doubt, he will try to make it look like he agrees with everybody, he will not commit to much of anything, except Change, which means what, who knows?


If you took any time to read the post...

Quote:
The accusations against Barack are so reckless that not even the Republican state senator who sponsored the bill will support them. In fact, he freely admits that “None of those who voted against SB-1082 favored infanticide.”


Obama isn't saying that he voted any different than he did. He is refuting outright what his opponents claim his vote meant. Sorry okie you miss again.

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Diest TKO
 
  0  
Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2008 09:33 am
@okie,
okie wrote:
Fact remains, if you believe in partial birth abortion, vote Obama.


You're not a subtle spin doctor okie... nor a potent one.

T
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okie
 
  1  
Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2008 09:34 am
@Diest TKO,
Votes don't lie, Diest. As much as Obama would want us to not use any record at all about who he is, there is a record, as scant as it is.

Now, Obama even complains when we quote him. Sheesh, we can't connect Obama with his friends and associates, and mentors, thats unfair, a "smear," and now he claims its unfair and smearing him to connect Obama to Obama. Bizarre campaign! Who is Obama? I guess the Obama of yesterday is not the Obama of today, so just who is he?
Diest TKO
 
  1  
Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2008 09:42 am
@okie,
Obama was probed his entire election. We know who he is front, back, inside and out. You not knowing who he is, is not a failure of Obama, it's your failure. Not that I believe for a second that your interest was ever to get to know him sincerely. He's just a normal normal guy.

T
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2008 09:55 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

Votes don't lie, Diest. As much as Obama would want us to not use any record at all about who he is, there is a record, as scant as it is.

Now, Obama even complains when we quote him. Sheesh, we can't connect Obama with his friends and associates, and mentors, thats unfair, a "smear," and now he claims its unfair and smearing him to connect Obama to Obama. Bizarre campaign! Who is Obama? I guess the Obama of yesterday is not the Obama of today, so just who is he?


Who is Obama?

He's the guy who led our side to kicking your party's ass this year.

That's all you need to know about him, Okie. He is the architect of Republican and Conservative defeat. He is your bane. And in all likelihood you know who he will be, at least: your President and CIC for the next 4 or 8 years.

Cycloptichorn
 

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