ehBeth
 
  2  
Sun 14 Sep, 2008 08:05 am
@sozobe,
I thought it was brilliantly funny - right down to Amy Poehler's ill-fitting pantsuit.
sozobe
 
  1  
Sun 14 Sep, 2008 08:06 am
@sozobe,
Sorry for the run of posts, one more...

Frank Rich says it better -- especially the point about laying off of Palin but continuing to hit McCain (I wasn't clear about that):

Frank Rich wrote:
How do you run against that flashy flimflam? You don’t. Karl Rove for once gave the Democrats a real tip rather than a bum steer when he wrote last week that if Obama wants to win, “he needs to remember he’s running against John McCain for president,” not Palin for vice president. Obama should keep stepping up the blitz on McCain’s flip-flops, confusion, ignorance and blurriness on major issues (from education to an exit date from Iraq), rather than her gaffes and résumé. If he focuses voters on the 2008 McCain, the Palin question will take care of itself.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/opinion/14rich.html
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sozobe
 
  2  
Sun 14 Sep, 2008 08:07 am
@ehBeth,
Cool, thanks.

Was it mostly dig-y? I think Amy Poehler's Hillary was a pretty sympathetic portrait over all.
ehBeth
 
  1  
Sun 14 Sep, 2008 08:39 am
@sozobe,
hmmm tina fey's palin seemed more real. amy poehler's clinton seemed more like what people think/hope clinton's really thinking on the inside.

A fair bit to complain about for both sides, but that's the joy of SNL.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Sun 14 Sep, 2008 09:29 am
66 million for Obama in August. The DNC supposedly did very well also. 500k new donors.

Cycloptichorn
nimh
 
  2  
Sun 14 Sep, 2008 04:22 pm
@fishin,
fishin wrote:

Quote:
I think Obama might just keep doing his thing -- face-to-face campaigning, ground game, staying cool -- with occasional forays into "enough is enough"-type bemused exasperation, and occasional "McCain would rather lose his integrity than the election" broadsides from his campaign, until the first debate (September 26th). Then -- in a one-on-one appearance with MCCAIN (not Palin) -- show fire and aggression and poise that will come as a surprise to many viewers... and become a story, especially if he extracts a major gaffe or outburst from McCain.


If that is Obama's game plan then, IMO, he might just as well pack up his campaign right now. That's a pretty high risk plan and there is just as much of a chance it wil backfire and Obama will come out looking desperate. At the current rate of change in the polls Obama could easily be down by 10 points by the 26th.

I'm also no fan of the scenario Soz sketches - let's call it the rope-a-dope strategy (and we know how that worked out for Kerry) - but there seems little chance of Obama dropping to -10 by the 26th anymore. If anything, the race seems to have stabilised, or even closed up a bit again (McCain's convention bounce fading?)

E.g., here's what the Gallup daily tracking poll looks like now:

http://media.gallup.com/poll/graphs/080914DailyUpdateGraph1_l9n6b2.gif
spendius
 
  2  
Sun 14 Sep, 2008 04:28 pm
I know what "rope a dope" means but what's SNL?
littlek
 
  3  
Sun 14 Sep, 2008 04:37 pm
@spendius,
saturday night live.
spendius
 
  1  
Sun 14 Sep, 2008 04:41 pm
@littlek,
Thank you littlek. Had you not realised that my pretended ignorance was just a low-down underhanded trick to connect the Dems with "rope a dope" one more time?

Two more times now.
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nimh
 
  1  
Sun 14 Sep, 2008 05:24 pm
@nimh,
OK, Gallup is just one poll though, so I graphed out how the four (yes, there's four now) daily tracking polls have had the race developing this month:

- Gallup
- Rasmussen
- Diageo / Hotline
- Research 2000 / Daily Kos

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/8926/dailytrackingpollswb9.png
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fishin
 
  2  
Tue 16 Sep, 2008 03:42 pm
And today's "All Important Issue Of The Day" winner is..... Tanning beds. Very Happy

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5813754&page=1


Quote:
Tanning Bed to Troopergate: Palin Aides Kept Scrambling
Questions About Tanning Bed in Governor's Mansion -- Sends Aides Scrambling

By RHONDA SCHWARTZ
Sept. 16, 2008

"It's vetting gone haywire," said Gov. Sarah Palin's beleaguered press secretary, Bill McAllister, as he dealt with a new round of questions about the governor -- this time about a tanning bed installed in the governor's mansion in Juneau.

Governor Sarah Palin had a tanning bed installed in the Governor's mansion in Juneau, Alaska. A spokesperson says she paid the expense out of her own pocket.

In the 2½ weeks since Palin was named to the GOP ticket, McAllister's phone has been ringing off the hook from national reporters who have descended on the state to look into the background of the governor.

Monday, US Weekly and a blog, NarcoNews, reported that "the former beauty queen's penchant for a bronzed body" led to the installation of a "private tanning bed" shortly after she took office.

"She paid for it herself," said McAllister from his Anchorage office. He told ABC News he had "no idea" why she had installed the machine but confirmed it was installed in the mansion.
spendius
 
  2  
Tue 16 Sep, 2008 04:59 pm
@fishin,
How on earth could she have been expected to pay for it herself.

What the hell is the "pocket" thing. Is she a marsupial? They have the no pockets in Darwin's theory other than marsupials.
Miller
 
  1  
Wed 17 Sep, 2008 09:16 am
@spendius,
What did folks get to get at that $25,000/plate dinner for Obama that was held last night?
Were there any doggiebags to take home?

How come I wasn't invited?
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Diest TKO
 
  2  
Wed 17 Sep, 2008 03:22 pm
http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/wo0i6gjglukrrl2a8zdiza.gif

RCP give McCain a lead by under 1 point.

Returns to nap...

T
K
O
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Wed 17 Sep, 2008 04:33 pm
@Diest TKO,
I saw on tv today that the battle states are very close, but that Obama is catching up with McCain in those states that Bush won handily in 2004. Florida seems like it's even.
spendius
 
  1  
Wed 17 Sep, 2008 05:53 pm
@cicerone imposter,
No point in going there for a holiday then c.i.
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blueflame1
 
  2  
Wed 17 Sep, 2008 05:59 pm
Obama: McCain's staff IS the 'old boys' network' by Nick Cargo
Published: Wednesday September 17, 2008

Senator Obama had choice words for Senator McCain's Monday assertion that "the fundamentals of our economy are strong" in the wake of this week's Lehman Brothers bankruptcy, the following 500-point plunge in the Dow Jones, Bank of America's Merrill Lynch buyout, and the American taxpayers' underwriting of an $85 billion infusion into insurer AIG, the 18th-largest company in the world.

"Now, his campaign must have realized that probably this wasn't the smartest thing to say on the day of a financial meltdown," Obama said in Elko, Nevada today, "so they sent him back a few hours later to clean up his remarks.

"But it sounds like he got a little carried away, because yesterday John McCain actually said that if he's President, he'll take on, and I quote, 'the old boys' network in Washington.' I'm not making this up. This is somebody who's been in Congress for 26 years who put seven of the most powerful Washington lobbyists in charge of his campaign. And now, he tells us that he's the one who's going to take on the 'old boys' network'. The 'old boys network!' In the McCain campaign that's called a 'staff meeting.' Come on."

"I reject the doom and gloom that says our nation is in decline," Senator McCain said today at a General Motors factory in Lake Orion, Michigan. "America's best days are ahead of us."

"We're going to take care of the workers," he added. "They're the ones that deserve our help."

Sen. Obama went on to lampoon Sen. McCain's "anger" at greedy elements on Wall Street. "He is so angry," said Obama, "that he wants to punish them with $200 billion worth of tax cuts for them! And if they're not careful, he'll give them even more tax cuts for shipping our jobs overseas.

"I mean, who's he getting these lines from? The lobbyists who are running his campaign? Maybe it's Phil Gramm. Some of you know Phil Gramm, the man who was the architect of some of the deregulation in Washington that helped cause the mess on Wall Street."

Former Texas Congressman and Senator Phil Gramm stepped down from his post as campaign co-chairman, though he remains an informal economic adviser, after his infamous July remarks calling the United States a "nation of whiners."

"You've heard of mental depression; this is a mental recession," Gramm told the Washington Times on July 9, 2008. "We have sort of become a nation of whiners. You just hear this constant whining, complaining about a loss of competitiveness, America in decline...We've never been more dominant; we've never had more natural advantages than we have today." Gramm opined that the nation has "benefited greatly" from three decades of globalization.

"Misery sells newspapers," Gramm went on. "Thank God the economy is not as bad as you read in the newspaper every day."

The following video is from ABCNews.com, broadcast September 17, 2008.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Obama_hit ... _0917.html
nimh
 
  1  
Wed 17 Sep, 2008 07:08 pm
@blueflame1,
Quote:
yesterday John McCain actually said that if he's President, he'll take on, and I quote, 'the old boys' network in Washington.' I'm not making this up. This is somebody who's been in Congress for 26 years who put seven of the most powerful Washington lobbyists in charge of his campaign. And now, he tells us that he's the one who's going to take on the 'old boys' network'. The 'old boys network!' In the McCain campaign that's called a 'staff meeting.' Come on.

That was a good line Cool
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nimh
 
  2  
Wed 17 Sep, 2008 07:16 pm
But, on the other side of the ledger...

Jonathan Cohn reviews Obama's latest ad, and has a beef that should by now be familiar. I share it.

Quote:
Politics inspires more armchair quarterbacking than football. And although I know a thing or two about public policy, my instinct is to assume that veteran political strategists--particularly those now working for Barack Obama--know better than I do how to manage a presidential campaign. So it's entirely possible that their new advertisement is the perfect spot at the perfect time.

For those who have not seen it, it features Obama, seated and speaking directly into the camera about the economy and his proposals to improve it:

WATCH

[snip]

My problem starts with the ad's big pivot line, in which Obama says

Quote:
The truth is that while you've been living up to your responsibilities Washington has not. That's why we need change. Real change.

At the ad's conclusion, Obama hits the same theme

Quote:
I approved this message because bitter, partisan fights and outworn ideas of the left and the right won't solve the problems we face today. But a new spirit of unity and shared responsibility will.

I continue to think this is absolutely the wrong way to frame the debate on economic policy.

[First reason why snipped]

[T]he framing is wrong on the merits. The influence of lobbyists and special interests have something to do with our problems. But they are not as important a cause as conservative ideology and the people who have advanced it--in other words, President Bush and the Republicans.

But Bush and the Republicans make no appearances in this advertisement. None. Zilcho. Nada.

Even worse, instead of reminding voters of the Republicans' responsibility for our problems, this spot actually blurs the differences between the parties--yet again--by placing blame on "outworn ideas of the left."

I wonder, just which ideas would those be? Regulation of the financial industry? Government spending on jobs and education? Universal health care? They all sound pretty good right about now.

Bush is the least popular president in recent memory.The troubled economy is the voters top concern and, historically, voters have always trusted Democrats more than Republicans on those issues. And on the specific issues--from investment to health care--voters actually support Democratic positions. Shouldn't Obama hammer away at this, the way his running mate did the other day in Michigan?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 17 Sep, 2008 07:20 pm
@nimh,
If the broken economy is the voter's top concern, why is there such a huge disconnect between what's happening to most Americans and the voters who still think McCain is better for our country?
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