sozobe
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2006 11:19 am
OK, so "Mexicans in Texas" has become "Hispanics in San Antonio." Laughing

Whatever, I agree that Obama is more interesting. :-)
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sozobe
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2006 11:29 am
Quote:
Obama should run
With the 2008 presidential field taking shape, the striking thing is how little excitement most of the possible candidates are likely to evoke.

Published December 6, 2006

There are the polarizing figures: Hillary Rodham Clinton, Rudy Giuliani and Newt Gingrich. There are the candidates who've been here before, such as Sens. Joe Biden, John McCain and John Kerry. There are the little-known politicians whose best hope may be the second spot on the ticket, like Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack and former New York Gov. George Pataki. There are the capital veterans, including Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) and Sen. Christopher Dodd (D-Conn.), whose importance inside the Beltway may make them imagine they have electoral strength beyond it.

And then there is Barack Obama. It's safe to say that when he decided to run for the Senate in 2004, he didn't imagine there would be lots of people now urging him to seek the highest office in the land. But ever since his electrifying address to the last Democratic convention, he has been marked for greater things.

To run for president would be a big leap for someone who just a couple of years ago was commuting to Springfield as a state senator. There is a plausible case why Obama should bide his time and burnish his credentials for the future--plausible, but not persuasive. When a leader evokes the enthusiasm that Obama does, he should recognize that he has something special to offer, not in 2012 or 2016, but right now.

What would he bring to the race that others don't? The most obvious is an approach that transcends party, ideology and geography. In his convention speech, Obama demolished the image of a nation of irreconcilable partisan camps: "We worship an awesome God in the blue states, and we don't like federal agents poking around in our libraries in the red states."

No one else has shown a comparable talent for appealing to the centrist instincts of the American people--instincts that often go unsatisfied as each party labors to rally its most uncompromising factions. After the divisive events of the last decade, the nation may be ready for a voice that celebrates our common values instead of exaggerating our differences.

Any presidential race is a long shot, and there is no guarantee that Obama could succeed. But he may never again find such favorable circumstance.

With his unifying themes, he would raise the tone of the campaign. His intellectual depth--he was editor of the Harvard Law Review and taught law at the University of Chicago--and openness would sharpen the policy debate. He could help the citizenry get comfortable contemplating something that will happen sooner or later--a black president. His magnetic style and optimism would draw many disenchanted Americans back into the political process.

He and the nation have little to lose and much to gain from his candidacy.


Chicago Tribune Op-Ed

Not much new here, but good to see and a good summary of the reasons he should run, IMO.
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snood
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2006 12:01 pm
I guess that women could be considered "minorities" in the sense that they are still discriminated against economically (glass ceilings, percentage of earned dollar, etc.), even though its not a description of their actual numeric strength in the population.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2006 12:01 pm
Soze thanks for posting that article and thanks for getting the thread back on topic. As you know, I was an early naysayer, mainly because of Obama's lack of elective office experience. I don't know how much you know about Texas politics but the Governor of Texas is not much more than a glorified figurehead. Obama already has more elctive office experince than Dubya had IMO.
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sozobe
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2006 12:07 pm
Yep, that's a good point. I researched the Texas governorship rather thoroughly when I was trying to figure out a) whether Kinky Friedman had a chance and b) if he did, if that was a good or a bad thing, and I was shocked at just how figure-head-y it really is.

Not that Bush is an example we want to follow...

I just signed a "draft Obama" petition and offered to spearhead things in Ohio. Finally used the letter I wrote back in March while signing. :-) (They had a "comments" section, didn't seem to have a limit or at least the whole letter fit.) I don't know if that kind of grassroots thing is actually what will have any effect at this point, but fun to do something.
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blatham
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2006 12:15 pm
The wave is a'buildin.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2006 12:19 pm
If anyone REALLY wants to get involved, she or he could run for convention delegate.
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JPB
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2006 12:23 pm
ooohhhh, I can see Soz doing that.
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snood
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2006 01:06 pm
Run, Sozobe, Run!!
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LoneStarMadam
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2006 01:14 pm
LoneStarMadam wrote:
sozobe wrote:
Your link didn't work.

My link -- census data -- states that 34% of Texans were Hispanic in 2004. (Hispanic is not equivalent to Mexican, by the way.)

Even if your link is correct -- that anglos are no longer the majority -- that doesn't mean that Hispanics ARE the majority. What about blacks, Asians, etc., etc.

By the way, in case you didn't catch it, I was responding to your statement that women are a minority "in the same way that Mexicans are a minority in Tx." Hispanics are about 1/3 of the population in Texas. So your statement indicates that women are about 1/3 of the population in America. As you found, that is not the case. (And that was my point.) Women are not a minority.

Anyway, this has gone pretty far afield and seems like it could go on for a while. If you'd like to continue, maybe start a new thread? Otherwise let's get back to Obama.

The link works, but the story has apparently been moved.
Maybe I should've said Hispanics rather than Mexican. Hispanics in San Antonio make up 73% of the cities population of 1.5 million, 6% black, the rest are whites, asians, indians, etc. San Antonio is a good indicator of the percentages, while west Tx is not so heavily minority it is also very sparsley populated, compared to south central, north & east Tx.
Women are a minority so far as civil rights are concerned, which I disagree with completely, we are all equal, or so I've heard.
I hope we can get back to the topic of Obama & Hillary, that's much more interesting.

Not tootin my own horn, but I asked that we get back on topic. Thank you, no applause expected.
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JPB
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2006 01:22 pm
HUH? How can encouraging soz to run as an Obama delegate be off topic?
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snood
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2006 01:22 pm
Jeez...
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LoneStarMadam
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2006 01:30 pm
JPB wrote:
HUH? How can encouraging soz to run as an Obama delegate be off topic?

If you're posting to me, I was answering Roxxxannes post thanking another poster for bringing the topic back to Obama.
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sozobe
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2006 01:33 pm
Did you read exactly what you reposted in an attempt to get credit for that, LSM? Look up just a bit... yes, where I say (first), "If you'd like to continue, maybe start a new thread? Otherwise let's get back to Obama."

Not that I'm complaining about your agreement thereof, and lest this become yet another derailment...

I just sent an email to the Ohio Democratic Party to find out more about what I'd do to become a delegate and what's involved. Not sure if hearing will be a barrier or not. Definitely interested! And if I do it, will definitely keep you guys updated.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2006 01:34 pm
Obama is scheduled to be interview cooncerning his Iraq exit strategy by Wolf Blitzer this pm on CNN's Situation Room.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2006 01:35 pm
sozobe wrote:


I just sent an email to the Ohio Democratic Party to find out more about what I'd do to become a delegate and what's involved. Not sure if hearing will be a barrier or not. Definitely interested! And if I do it, will definitely keep you guys updated.


Sozee, that's awesome!
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JPB
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2006 01:36 pm
sozobe wrote:

I just sent an email to the Ohio Democratic Party to find out more about what I'd do to become a delegate and what's involved. Not sure if hearing will be a barrier or not. Definitely interested!


That would be waaaaaay cool, Soz.
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sozobe
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2006 01:37 pm
Thanks for the idea! Again, not at all sure if I can/ will actually do it. And if Obama decides not to run, my motivation would likely be shot to hell. Laughing

Weighing in on what to do re: Iraq, though, that does sound more to me like a guy who's running than a guy who's not...

We'll see <she says, impatiently...>
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LoneStarMadam
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2006 01:39 pm
sozobe wrote:
Did you read exactly what you reposted in an attempt to get credit for that, LSM? Look up just a bit... yes, where I say (first), "If you'd like to continue, maybe start a new thread? Otherwise let's get back to Obama."

Not that I'm complaining about your agreement thereof, and lest this become yet another derailment...

I just sent an email to the Ohio Democratic Party to find out more about what I'd do to become a delegate and what's involved. Not sure if hearing will be a barrier or not. Definitely interested! And if I do it, will definitely keep you guys updated.

Sorry, I missed that post & will delete mine at once.
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LoneStarMadam
 
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Wed 6 Dec, 2006 01:42 pm
soboze-Again, sorry, I can't delete it, but wish all to know that I was mistaken in trying to take the credit for what you did. I apologize profusely.
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