Butrflynet
 
  4  
Thu 14 Aug, 2008 04:00 pm
@sozobe,
Put down your drinks before viewing this one. This one is hilarious!

Baracky II
okie
 
  0  
Thu 14 Aug, 2008 04:00 pm
@cicerone imposter,
She hasn't given totally up, ci.

And the votes are not that far apart. She doesn't want people to forget it, and who knows until the votes are actually taken?
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okie
 
  0  
Thu 14 Aug, 2008 04:04 pm
@Butrflynet,
So is McCain supposed to now campaign for Obama too? He can't say anything about how Obama comes up short. Any statement pushing for McCain and against Obama is now "negative campaigning."

Why don't we just start putting up pictures and billboards, and statues of Obama all over the country now, might as well get started, as we all must worship this man, is that it?
Ramafuchs
 
  0  
Thu 14 Aug, 2008 04:30 pm
@sozobe,
Of course, Mrs Clinton probably won’t get the vice presidential nomination, which would have made Mr Obama appear seriously out of control of his own campaign. Given that, and the risk of angry Clintonite protests, Mr Obama didn’t have much choice to throw this sop to the Hillary people. And Mrs Clinton, apparently, didn’t have much choice but to accept it. The winner? John McCain."
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2008/08/who_is_this_going_to_help.cfm
Most of the cuts and pastes which i use in this forum is to make the debate lively and not to insult any political views.
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Butrflynet
 
  2  
Thu 14 Aug, 2008 04:49 pm
@okie,
McCain does what ever he wants when he wants. He always has and always will. That's why his campaign has had to take away his cell phone privileges to keep him from straying from his campaign's talking points so often.

And you betcha! Bring on the statues! There will probably be lots of high schools named after him too, just like for every other U.S. President.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Thu 14 Aug, 2008 07:27 pm
@okie,
AMERICANS ARE used to voting for presidential candidates with backgrounds as lawyers, military officers, farmers, businessmen, and career politicians. With Barack Obama's candidacy, "this is the first time we've been asked to vote for someone who has been a community organizer," writes Peter Dreier.

http://dissentmagazine.org/online.php?id=109
snood
 
  1  
Fri 15 Aug, 2008 03:19 am
@Ramafuchs,
Do you realize how ignorant that last post of yours was? Or is there something that doesn't allow you to acknowledge Obama is a lawyer?
snood
 
  1  
Fri 15 Aug, 2008 03:39 am
@snood,
Here's a very good blog by Eugene Robinson about the Corsi smear. The ugliness is here, ladies and germs...

Here come the goons, right on schedule.

The "author," and I use the term loosely, whose vicious lies damaged John Kerry's 2004 presidential campaign has crawled back out from under his rock to spew vicious lies about Barack Obama. Right-wing radio talk-show hosts are dutifully transmitting this concocted venom. This presidential campaign has officially gotten ugly.

The "author" I'm talking about is a man named Jerome Corsi. In a book published last year, "The Late Great USA: The Coming Merger with Mexico and Canada," Corsi claimed that George W. Bush was at the heart of a secret conspiracy to subsume the United States into a post-national, one-worldish North American Union. Corsi's writings on far-right blogs have been even more paranoid and delusional. He has written that pedophilia, for which he used a more graphic term, "is OK with the Pope as long as it isn't reported by the liberal press." He has referred to Muslims as "ragheads."

Corsi would be known as just another visitor from the outer fringe if he had not been the co-author of "Unfit for Command," the book that slimed Kerry's exemplary record as a Swift boat commander in Vietnam. The allegations in that book were discredited, but not before they had been amplified by the right-wing echo chamber to the point where they raised questions in some voters' minds -- perhaps enough to swing the election.

It was an abominable trick, but quite remarkable. Kerry's opponent, George W. Bush, had avoided Vietnam by taking refuge in the Texas Air National Guard. Kerry was a decorated war hero, yet somehow his valor and sense of duty were turned into a political negative and used against him.

Now Corsi, in what he acknowledges is an attempt "to keep Obama from getting elected," has come out with a book that similarly tries to turn one of Obama's strengths -- his compelling life story -- into a liability.

Corsi's new volume of vitriol, "The Obama Nation," seeks to smear Obama as a "leftist" and add fuel to the false and discredited rumor that he is secretly a radical Muslim, or at least has "extensive connections to Islam." The liberal Web site Media Matters has already demonstrated that the book is riddled with factual errors -- for example, Corsi repeats the charge, thoroughly disproved, that Obama was in church for one of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's most incendiary sermons. But the point isn't to tell the truth. The point is to repeat the lie and thus give it new life.

Corsi's dirty work is more difficult this time because Obama has already written his life story in the autobiographical "Dreams From My Father." Since he can't reveal anything about Obama's past, Corsi is reduced to reinterpretation -- or, at times, invention.

It sounds like the kind of book that should quickly be consigned to the remainder bin, but -- unsurprisingly -- it is already a bestseller. The Post and other news organizations have noted that this and similar anti-Obama books win the imprimatur of best-seller status by being "pushed by conservative book clubs that buy in bulk to drive up sales."

This time, though, somebody is pushing back: John Kerry, whose political action committee has launched a new Web site, called Truth Fights Back, to "fight against the right-wing smear machine." The site weighs in vigorously on behalf of several Democrats who are being hit with unfair attacks, but its most urgent campaign is "making sure Jerome Corsi doesn't get away with his lies unchallenged."

The Obama campaign faces a classic dilemma. If smear attacks are left unanswered, voters can get the impression that the lies are true. But there's no way to respond without giving the falsehoods wider circulation.

For Obama, this choice seems doubly fraught. Just look at the way John McCain's campaign jumped all over Obama when he predicted -- correctly, it turns out -- that Republicans would try to scare voters by making him seem alien and somehow frightening. His observation about not looking like previous presidents was opportunistically slammed by McCain and his surrogates as playing "the race card."

Yesterday, the Obama campaign released a lengthy rebuttal of Corsi's book. The vacationining candidate himself remained silent, leaving it to others, such as Kerry, to give a more full-throated response. Kerry knows better than anyone what it feels like to be Swift-boated, and he's determined not to let it happen to anyone else.

Diest TKO
 
  2  
Fri 15 Aug, 2008 05:02 am
@Butrflynet,
That video seriously was one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
K
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Butrflynet
 
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Fri 15 Aug, 2008 05:30 am
People have asked for more details of Obama's Tax Plan. Here it is. Click on the link.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121867201724238901.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

Quote:
OPINION


The Obama Tax Plan
By JASON FURMAN and AUSTAN GOOLSBEE (Furman and Goolsbee are economic policy director and senior economic adviser at Obama for America.)
August 14, 2008


okie
 
  -1  
Fri 15 Aug, 2008 09:00 am
@snood,
To set the record straight, again, is to point out Kerry smeared all Vietnam vets, so if you want to talk about smears, get that straight in your mind, snood. Kerry has no credibility, period.
okie
 
  -1  
Fri 15 Aug, 2008 07:30 pm
@okie,
Is Obama fading?

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/15/poll-shows-obama-mccain-tied-for-third-time-in-two-weeks/

And is Denver going to help Obama? Highly questionable I think. Especially given the spotlight given to Clinton and her supporters part of the time.

I think most of Obama's support is wide, but shallow, not very deep, and it is mostly emotional. If the emotions wear down, the number of likely voters could wane quickly. He will need a way to gin up the emotions, and he is working hard at it, but a long way to go to November.
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teenyboone
 
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Fri 15 Aug, 2008 08:29 pm
@Butrflynet,
It was pretty good. Funny? Kinda! I'm really disappointed in Obama caving in to the Clintons! Concede? Not HER!
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teenyboone
 
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Fri 15 Aug, 2008 08:30 pm
@okie,
When did Kerry smear ALL Viet Nam Vets? What flava of Kool-Aid YOU drinking?
okie
 
  -1  
Fri 15 Aug, 2008 08:50 pm
@teenyboone,
Kerry's testimony to Congress in 1972:

Quote:
I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command....

They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.


http://facultystaff.richmond.edu/~ebolt/history398/JohnKerryTestimony.html

Then this from the following site:
http://www.wintersoldier.com/staticpages/index.php?page=Swett_CID

Quote:
The Army's Criminal Investigative Division (CID) had opened cases for 43 WSI "witnesses" whose claims, if true, would qualify as crimes. An additional 25 Army WSI participants had criticized the military in general terms, without sufficient substance to warrant any investigation.


The 43 WSI CID cases were eventually resolved as follows: 25 WSI participants refused to cooperate, 13 provided information but failed to support the allegations, and five could not be located. No criminal charges were filed as a result of any of the investigations.


So, teeny, as a Vietnam vet myself, I spent 12 months there, in the field, not 4 months as Kerry did in a fairly cushy lifestyle compared to the infantrymen, receives phony purple hearts so he can go home, I find it reprehensible that he comes back and effectively slanders all Vietnam vets, and when the Swift Boat people, also vets, tell their story to set the record straight, he complains of being slandered. No my friend, who started the slandering, it was Mr. Kerry himself. I am very serious about this, and every time somebody complains about Kerry being 'swiftboated," it makes me virtually sick at my stomach that this guy has the gall to be as arrogant as he is.

And for snood, a military man himself, he should have the guts to acknowledge the truth. Kerry is a phony, period.


teenyboone
 
  2  
Sat 16 Aug, 2008 10:35 am
@okie,
Ws he lying or stating facts? Was he an eye witness?
okie
 
  0  
Sat 16 Aug, 2008 11:09 am
@teenyboone,
No, he was not an eye witness to the stuff he testified about to Congress, from the Winter Soldier event. It was second hand information, much of which has been shown to be totally bogus. The thing that makes me think he is either very naive or a very big liar, is that he was there and should have known better. Teeny, I was there 12 months as an infantryman in the field for 12 months, and I can honestly tell you that I never saw or even heard of an atrocity anything like what Kerry described to Congress. Now, I admit, I was not in all parts of the country in every unit, however I think if this was as common as he described, then I would have at least heard of something, don't you think, Not only that, I know a few vets that were there, and yes, some of them saw some pretty serious combat, but not atrocities wherein the soldiers did something wrong, at least they haven's said so. I have every reason to believe from what discussions we have had that their experience was very similar to mine.

Therefore, I am left to conclude Kerry is a fraud, and because of his fraudulant testimony to Congress, I am very inclined to believe that the Swift Boaters were essentially correct in most of what they brought out about Kerry. I read all of that information and joined their website during all of that mess. I think he is an arrogant rich boy elitist from New England, that didn't like serving, so he figured out a way to get the cheap purple hearts to go home. Yes, he may have marginally done okay for his men while there, to a point, but he lied to his own benefit, fudged the system, for his own benefit, and his actions during his political career tends to support my belief, clear up to the time of his laughable and phony driving the boat into Boston, all staged but transparently artificial, and then his pathetic salute to open his speech. He wanted everybody to believe his military expertise, and he is just a dud, plain and simple.
Kara
 
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Sat 16 Aug, 2008 04:04 pm
@snood,
Good piece by Eugene Robinson. Thanks for posting.

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Ramafuchs
 
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Sat 16 Aug, 2008 09:19 pm
@snood,
Snood type not so quickly to highlight my ignorance.
I know that Obama had studied law but my above quote has other words beside lawyer.
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teenyboone
 
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Mon 18 Aug, 2008 07:26 am
@okie,
I can't help but take what you say for granted. My husband, who was my fiancee, at the time, was up and down the Mekong River, in what's known as the Riverine Force. He was on a landing repair craft, aka, a swift boat repair station. Never was in any one place, for more than 24 hours, engines kept running, to keep sabotagers away. My husband says, the USS Cole would not have been bombed had they adhered to this practice.

My husband is a "tin can" sailor, stationed aboard destroyers only. The wake from the waves churned up by these big engines, could never have been bombed! A 22 year Army National Guard serviceman, who they had to retire at the mandatory age of 60! Having heard the stories from so many service people, I wonder why he (Kerry) chose to depict them in such a vile fashion. Cool
 

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