Cycloptichorn wrote:..............
You sort of forgot to address the posts which showed you being incorrect, I note.
Cycloptichorn
must have missed them..... will revert when I've located them.... Sorry, gang, have to work on occasion......
High Seas wrote:Cycloptichorn wrote:..............
You sort of forgot to address the posts which showed you being incorrect, I note.
Cycloptichorn
must have missed them..... will revert when I've located them.... Sorry, gang, have to work on occasion......
Yeah, they were the ones which showed that we were not only giving direct aid to Iraq during the I-I war, but that we were selling them chemical weapons during that time as well. And OE pointed out that we clearly were supplying Iran with weapons, just using intermediaries.
Try reading links and you'll do better in these discussions.
Cycloptichorn
Cycloptichorn wrote:High Seas wrote:Cycloptichorn wrote:..............
You sort of forgot to address the posts which showed you being incorrect, I note.
Cycloptichorn
must have missed them..... will revert when I've located them.... Sorry, gang, have to work on occasion......
Yeah, they were the ones which showed that we were not only giving direct aid to Iraq during the I-I war, but that we were selling them chemical weapons during that time as well. And OE pointed out that we clearly were supplying Iran with weapons, just using intermediaries.
Try reading links and you'll do better in these discussions.
Cycloptichorn
I DID read his links, and addressed them in detail. YOU try reading posts properly for a change, OE does that even when drunk.
High Seas wrote:Cycloptichorn wrote:High Seas wrote:Cycloptichorn wrote:..............
You sort of forgot to address the posts which showed you being incorrect, I note.
Cycloptichorn
must have missed them..... will revert when I've located them.... Sorry, gang, have to work on occasion......
Yeah, they were the ones which showed that we were not only giving direct aid to Iraq during the I-I war, but that we were selling them chemical weapons during that time as well. And OE pointed out that we clearly were supplying Iran with weapons, just using intermediaries.
Try reading links and you'll do better in these discussions.
Cycloptichorn
I DID read his links, and addressed them in detail. YOU try reading posts properly for a change, OE does that even when drunk.
Odd, I must have missed the post in which you admitted that you were incorrect about several of the claims that you made on the last page, which were then shown to be incorrect. Can you link to that for me?
Cycloptichorn
OBAMA is a void surrounded by a sphincter muscle
Thanks
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Odd, I must have missed the post in which you admitted that you were incorrect about several of the claims that you made on the last page, which were then shown to be incorrect. Can you link to that for me?
Cycloptichorn
Cycl - there was NO such post because I, unlike YOU, actually READ the links and address them. You however do NOT, or you would have read a link now posted 3 times in 3 pages which includes a brief summary of your thinking - if it may be called such:
Quote:Pinker chastised Lakoff for his "cartoonish depiction of progressives as saintly sophisticates and conservatives as evil morons" and declared his political efforts "a train wreck" and "jejune nonsense."
I understand that you are more interested in Ad Hominem attacks then in responding to the allegations that your account of the Iraq-Iran war, and US involvement in it, was not factually correct.
I once again link to -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran-Iraq_war
Cycloptichorn
Diest TKO wrote:real life wrote:I'm just wondering, if Obama appoints terrorist and Pentagon bomber Bill Ayers to fill a slot in his administration, will liberals object? And on what grounds?
If Obama appoints racebaiter and retired minister of TUCC Jeremiah Wright to fill a slot, will liberals object? And on what grounds?
First of all, neither of these will happen. The fact that you think that they could illustrates your ignorance.
I can tell you numerous reasons why I'd object, but you haven't even began to tell me what specific positions your imagination has them in. Don't bother telling me now, I'll go ahead and tell you the two reasons I'd object.
1) There's somebody better for the job. E.g. - What position would a Reverend fit into? There are so many people in line to fill these spots.
2) Even if they did a good job, they'd be constantly under fire by the media and the republicans. It would be a struggle to get anything done.
I'll say it again, you're just trying to meme Obama out of the White House. Your catch-phrase-fear-mongering-memes are a laughable waste of time.
But you're just following suit. Even McCain had tire gauges made labeled "Obama's Energy Plan." The next day, he said that we should put a littl more air in our tires.
You're losing the fight, and you're not ding it with any grace.
T
K
O
What position would a Reverend fit into when there's so many others better qualified?
Well we see that:
Quote:Democratic convention chief wants reparations for blacks
Shares controversial 'liberation' theology with Obama's ex-pastor Jeremiah Wright
Posted: August 11, 2008
The leader anointed by the Democratic Party to assemble the coronation of a 2008 presidential candidate in Denver in two weeks espouses the same black liberation theology pursue by Rev. Jeremiah Wright, whose church presumptive nominee Barack Obama was forced to leave because of its controversies.
Those included Wright's condemnation of America, a vicious attack on Hillary Clinton from the pulpit and others, and WND reported when, finally, the Obama campaign announced he was resigning his 20-year membership in the controversial organization.
Now a profile in the New York Times has revealed that Rev. Daughtry, whose father, Herbert Daughtry, who served prison time during his 20s for armed robbery and bad checks, also runs a church, shares popular "black liberation theology" beliefs such as the "debt" the United States "owes" all blacks as reparations for the existence of slavery two centuries back.
In a description of the church where family members have preached for decades, the Times said, "Below the sanctuary, in the fellowship hall, a banner for slavery reparations proclaimed, 'They Owe Us.'........
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72149
Rev Daughtry has been appointed to head the convention. I think that's an indication that Obama will not be shy about appointing Wright clones to positions within his administration.
I understand that hip hop artists like Ludacris might be perceived (mostly by those who aren't supporting Obama anyway) as hurtful to Obama's campaign. I have my own thoughts about people who profit from some of the images in hip hop, but that's for another discussion.
I just read this blog by Chris Lightly, a 36-year-old CEO of a production company who has handled names like 50 Cent, LL Cool J and Missy Elliott. Some of the remarks about the capabilities of a 72-year-old might be ageist, but grit your teeth and consider especially what I bolded. I copied this here because of the advice it offers to the Obama camp about not worrying about what a rapper says.
Would John McCain be held accountable for what some country singer said in a song? Exactly. That's why I think this advice is very much on point:
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First off, for the HuffPost readers who don't know me; I'm the manager behind 50 Cent, LL Cool J, Puffy, Busta Rhymes and Missy Elliot. I help them put together their deals with major brands from Vitamin Water to Henkel, Procter & Gamble and many more. I've been privileged enough to see first hand how hip hop has crossed over into the mainstream and become a major voice of politics and culture in this country. I guess you could say that gives me a certain perspective on recent headlines concerning a particular rapper and a presidential hopeful.
For those of you who do know me, it's been a long time since I hit the blog zone so I decided to come back with a bang. This time around, I'm tackling the big stuff: Barack Obama's campaign. I can't sit back and be silent on this subject anymore. As much as I personally support the Senator from Illinois, he needs to do a better job of handling his business in the hip hop community. Specifically, I'm talking about that new Ludacris song, "Politics as Usual," and the Obama campaign's reaction to it, which was way off base.
Don't get me wrong. I'm hoping Obama will be the next president as much as anybody in our community. But Obama needs the youth of America just as much as we perceive we need Obama, if only to avoid a third Bush term via John McCain. (That dude isn't equipped to run a computer, let alone the country.) Obama and his people need to do a better job of understanding this market, where we are coming from, and what we expect from him.
Now Obama camp, please listen carefully to my next few statements, because I'm offering you some free advice:
We the people who are feeling the pinch need your help, but why are you lowering your stature to answer rap records?! Why take offense? No disrespect to Ludacris, but if he wanted to address you, he would have sent you a letter, email, phone call or smoke signal. Let Luda speak to his fans and galvanize them to join the cause in his OWN way. He's not a member of your campaign and he's not even trying to be. He is an artist. Period. Across social, political and philanthropic causes, today's global youth see themselves as possessing the potential to effect enormous change, and impact the world through pop culture. Nothing wrong with that! But it is what it is. Luda is no politician, and even his fans know better than to take him as seriously as you just did.
Meanwhile, don't make the mistake of assuming you've got a lock on our market. Don't rest easy thinking these kids are going to be motivated enough to get out and rock the vote if you don't speak to them directly. The campaign for change has to spread the money around and make sure that message reaches all four corners.
Yeah, it's great you bought airtime during the Olympics. But on 8/8/08 no one was watching, because the ad for Tomb of the Dragon Emperor, drowned you out. From a marketing perspective, that was money misspent. You need to cut through the noise and target your audience. Don't forget to get up and speak to hip hop. Spend your advertising dollars on BET and MTV's TRL and other urban media outlets that can spread your message to the youth. Continue to inspire change.
But this is key: Don't lower yourself to speak to rappers! Just because you are African-American, don't allow the press to make you step down from the plate of being one of the most powerful men in the world to address a comment from a rapper, no matter how great he or she is. If the Dixie Chicks stand up and attack McCain, the press already knows it's almost worthless to ask him about it. He wouldn't have a clue who they are and, in the end, and he wouldn't care about what they said because he is applying for the job of the most powerful man in the world. He knows it's politics as usual.
Senator Obama, this applies to you too. Don't let the press lower your stature because of your color. We know that we in the world of hip hop music can be a liability, but we still expect you to act accordingly when you are empowered. Make a change. Don't tell us how we should watch our lyrics every time the press tries to attack rap music. You already stated your position.
Instead, address how we are going to get the troops out of Iraq, the gas prices down, and how people with sub prime mortgages can keep a roof over their heads. Don't waste time on lyrics from a rapper! There's plenty more where that came from. Artists in their enthusiasm for your campaign are gonna come up with more songs, and the lyrics might just be even more offensive to people than Luda's were. Ignore them! We already know you're cool; we understand that you have to play the rigid figure against our rhymes. So fly above it all. Keep your eyes on the prize and work steadfastly to beat McCain.
This is probably one of the most important and active elections for people of color to date. So much is on the line it's almost insane we are allowing someone like McCain even a chance to be elected. In my business, we watch companies like Sony/BMG make great creative individuals like Clive Davis step down because of his age. But he is running a creative company, not the country! How is it that McCain is even capable of having the opportunity to be elected at 72? How can we allow this?
Maybe America should take a page out of the corporate playbook and say there comes a point when age is a factor. When Steve Jobs is rumored to be sick, Apple's stock takes a hit because he is Apple. If we expect so much from our corporate leaders, if we hold them to such high standards, why would we let McCain up to bat? America is the home of the brave because we'd have to be brave, or crazy, if we are going to put our faith in a guy who can't turn on a computer and admits it.
Senator Obama, don't slip up now. Be true to yourself and stick to the high road. Don't let our country's fate, and the future of kids black or white, who feel empowered for the first time in their lives, fall into the hands of a clueless old man. Forget about Luda and stay on the path to the White House. Don't allow this year's election to become politics as usual.
real life wrote:Diest TKO wrote:real life wrote:I'm just wondering, if Obama appoints terrorist and Pentagon bomber Bill Ayers to fill a slot in his administration, will liberals object? And on what grounds?
If Obama appoints racebaiter and retired minister of TUCC Jeremiah Wright to fill a slot, will liberals object? And on what grounds?
First of all, neither of these will happen. The fact that you think that they could illustrates your ignorance.
I can tell you numerous reasons why I'd object, but you haven't even began to tell me what specific positions your imagination has them in. Don't bother telling me now, I'll go ahead and tell you the two reasons I'd object.
1) There's somebody better for the job. E.g. - What position would a Reverend fit into? There are so many people in line to fill these spots.
2) Even if they did a good job, they'd be constantly under fire by the media and the republicans. It would be a struggle to get anything done.
I'll say it again, you're just trying to meme Obama out of the White House. Your catch-phrase-fear-mongering-memes are a laughable waste of time.
But you're just following suit. Even McCain had tire gauges made labeled "Obama's Energy Plan." The next day, he said that we should put a littl more air in our tires.
You're losing the fight, and you're not ding it with any grace.
T
K
O
What position would a Reverend fit into when there's so many others better qualified?
Well we see that:
Quote:Democratic convention chief wants reparations for blacks
Shares controversial 'liberation' theology with Obama's ex-pastor Jeremiah Wright
Posted: August 11, 2008
The leader anointed by the Democratic Party to assemble the coronation of a 2008 presidential candidate in Denver in two weeks espouses the same black liberation theology pursue by Rev. Jeremiah Wright, whose church presumptive nominee Barack Obama was forced to leave because of its controversies.
Those included Wright's condemnation of America, a vicious attack on Hillary Clinton from the pulpit and others, and WND reported when, finally, the Obama campaign announced he was resigning his 20-year membership in the controversial organization.
Now a profile in the New York Times has revealed that Rev. Daughtry, whose father, Herbert Daughtry, who served prison time during his 20s for armed robbery and bad checks, also runs a church, shares popular "black liberation theology" beliefs such as the "debt" the United States "owes" all blacks as reparations for the existence of slavery two centuries back.
In a description of the church where family members have preached for decades, the Times said, "Below the sanctuary, in the fellowship hall, a banner for slavery reparations proclaimed, 'They Owe Us.'........
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72149
Rev Daughtry has been appointed to head the convention. I think that's an indication that Obama will not be shy about appointing Wright clones to positions within his administration.
You don't keep up with headlines do you. A few weeks back some knucklehead trotted into the Obama thread talking about how Obama was going to lose black votes because he doesn't support the idea of reparations.
A little research will tell you that Obama would prefer that money go to fixing schools, hiring police in troubled communities and other social investments that would truly be a better gift than some check would ever do, and all people, not just blacks would benefit from it.
Basically, you miss. But if you haven't figured it out yet, you're always going to miss Obama, by aiming at the people next to him, or in the room with him, or the same town as him...
T
K
O
Diest TKO wrote:You don't keep up with headlines do you. A few weeks back some knucklehead trotted into the Obama thread talking about how Obama ........
I didn't realize that the postings on A2K made the headlines.
What paper was it in?
Diest TKO wrote:real life wrote:Diest TKO wrote:real life wrote:I'm just wondering, if Obama appoints terrorist and Pentagon bomber Bill Ayers to fill a slot in his administration, will liberals object? And on what grounds?
If Obama appoints racebaiter and retired minister of TUCC Jeremiah Wright to fill a slot, will liberals object? And on what grounds?
First of all, neither of these will happen. The fact that you think that they could illustrates your ignorance.
I can tell you numerous reasons why I'd object, but you haven't even began to tell me what specific positions your imagination has them in. Don't bother telling me now, I'll go ahead and tell you the two reasons I'd object.
1) There's somebody better for the job. E.g. - What position would a Reverend fit into? There are so many people in line to fill these spots.
2) Even if they did a good job, they'd be constantly under fire by the media and the republicans. It would be a struggle to get anything done.
I'll say it again, you're just trying to meme Obama out of the White House. Your catch-phrase-fear-mongering-memes are a laughable waste of time.
But you're just following suit. Even McCain had tire gauges made labeled "Obama's Energy Plan." The next day, he said that we should put a littl more air in our tires.
You're losing the fight, and you're not ding it with any grace.
T
K
O
What position would a Reverend fit into when there's so many others better qualified?
Well we see that:
Quote:Democratic convention chief wants reparations for blacks
Shares controversial 'liberation' theology with Obama's ex-pastor Jeremiah Wright
Posted: August 11, 2008
The leader anointed by the Democratic Party to assemble the coronation of a 2008 presidential candidate in Denver in two weeks espouses the same black liberation theology pursue by Rev. Jeremiah Wright, whose church presumptive nominee Barack Obama was forced to leave because of its controversies.
Those included Wright's condemnation of America, a vicious attack on Hillary Clinton from the pulpit and others, and WND reported when, finally, the Obama campaign announced he was resigning his 20-year membership in the controversial organization.
Now a profile in the New York Times has revealed that Rev. Daughtry, whose father, Herbert Daughtry, who served prison time during his 20s for armed robbery and bad checks, also runs a church, shares popular "black liberation theology" beliefs such as the "debt" the United States "owes" all blacks as reparations for the existence of slavery two centuries back.
In a description of the church where family members have preached for decades, the Times said, "Below the sanctuary, in the fellowship hall, a banner for slavery reparations proclaimed, 'They Owe Us.'........
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72149
Rev Daughtry has been appointed to head the convention. I think that's an indication that Obama will not be shy about appointing Wright clones to positions within his administration.
You don't keep up with headlines do you. A few weeks back some knucklehead trotted into the Obama thread talking about how Obama was going to lose black votes because he doesn't support the idea of reparations.
A little research will tell you that Obama would prefer that money go to fixing schools, hiring police in troubled communities and other social investments that would truly be a better gift than some check would ever do, and all people, not just blacks would benefit from it.
Basically, you miss. But if you haven't figured it out yet, you're always going to miss Obama, by aiming at the people next to him, or in the room with him, or the same town as him...
T
K
O
Then why is Obama allowing a banner waving reparations advocate to head up his convention?
OBAMA is a void surrounded by a sphincter muscle
real life wrote:
Then why is Obama allowing a banner waving reparations advocate to head up his convention?
Who is Obama?
Change, change, change, change.
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Interesting column by Sowell today, which asks how long can Obama go with speaking generalities and sloganeering, and actually begin to reveal exactly who he is, what he is really about.
http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell081208.php3
Sorry to say I think he will do it right up to the time he is elected president. Generalities work because no one can pin you down.
rabel22 wrote:Sorry to say I think he will do it right up to the time he is elected president. Generalities work because no one can pin you down.
So true! Look at McCain; he keeps telling the American People that "he has experience" in foreign affairs. This is the guy who doesn't pronounce the name of the president of Georgia correctly, and this is "current" news. If we look at the details, McCain is a loser.
No, America is the loser in this election, where there is no real conservative choice. The dumb will vote in the evil one, and only then will he reveal himself.
