Obama '08?

Thanks Roxxxanne, was just coming here to post that.

And it's front-page, above-the-fold news. (Headline, anyway.)

It seems to indicate that the hopeful thing about Hillary dropping out if Obama runs may have been premature, though. We'll see. (Geesh, I say that a lot, should I make it my new sig line?)

Also more info there about when he'd decide -- "after the first of the year." Of course that could be January 2nd or July 2nd. We'll... um, fingers crossed.

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Obama's speech at Mr. Warren's Megachurch is out. Nice diplomacy job. He starts with his audience's moral message, then turns around and challenges them. This excerpt is fairly typical:

I don't think we can deny that there is a moral and spiritual component to prevention - that in too many places all over the world where AIDS is prevalent - including our own country, by the way - the relationship between men and women, between sexuality and spirituality, has broken down, and needs to be repaired. It was striking to see this as I traveled through South Africa and Kenya. Again and again, I heard stories of men and women contracting HIV because sex was no longer part of a sacred covenant, but a mechanical physical act; because men had visited prostitutes and brought the disease home to their wives, or young girls had been subjected to rape and abuse. These are issues of prevention we cannot walk away from. When a husband thinks it's acceptable to hide his infidelity from his wife, it's not only a sin, it's a potential death sentence. And when rape is still seen as a woman's fault and a woman's shame, but promiscuity is a man's prerogative, it is a problem of the heart that no government can solve. It is, however, a place where local ministries and churches like Saddleback can, and have, made a real difference - by providing people with a moral framework to make better choices. Having said that, I also believe that we cannot ignore that abstinence and fidelity may too often be the ideal and not the reality - that we are dealing with flesh and blood men and women and not abstractions - and that if condoms and potentially microbicides can prevent millions of deaths, they should be made more widely available. I know that there are those who, out of sincere religious conviction, oppose such measures. And with these folks, I must respectfully but unequivocally disagree. I do not accept the notion that those who make mistakes in their lives should be given an effective death sentence. Nor am I willing to stand by and allow those who are entirely innocent - wives who, because of the culture they live in, often have no power to refuse sex with their husbands, or children who are born with the infection as a consequence of their parent's behavior -suffer when condoms or other measures would have kept them from harm.
http://obama.senate.gov/speech/061201-race_against_time_-_world_aids_day_speech/index.html

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I'm starting to become a groupie.

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"Typical" of what, Thomas? Obama, or politicians in general? I ask because I've followed him pretty closely, and don't know whether I've compiled a comprehensive enough file on him to categorize a speech of his as "typical" yet.

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I took it to mean that the excerpt was typical of the rest of the speech.

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Well thanks, JPG, and all due respect but Thomas' was the interpretation I needed - since it was his post.

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Snood, I'm sure Thomas will clarify his statement for you.

snood wrote:

"Typical" of what, Thomas? Obama, or politicians in general?

I'm simply giving a third definition of "typical" than the two you listed for your consideration.

Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

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I don't know why you'd ask that - I simply wanted an answer from the person I asked, that's all. No offense intended.

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snood wrote:

"Typical" of what, Thomas? Obama, or politicians in general? I ask because I've followed him pretty closely, and don't know whether I've compiled a comprehensive enough file on him to categorize a speech of his as "typical" yet.

As JPB correctly recognized, I found the excerpt typical for the rest of Obama's speech, for what I called his "nice diplomacy job", and for his approach to this evangelical audience.

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What's not typical is the way Obama delivers a speech. I just hope he runs, he will get the nomination and the Presidency. Beating Hillary will be tougher than anyone the Republicans send up.

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I don't see it as being quite so easy, but he'll have my vote.

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Roxxxanne wrote:

What's not typical is the way Obama delivers a speech. I just hope he runs, he will get the nomination and the Presidency. Beating Hillary will be tougher than anyone the Republicans send up.

Hill would be a walk in the park compared to Giuliani or McCain... if indeed the Republicans become desperate enough to field one of them. If Obama runs; I think they'll have to.

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Desperation is running an unknown that has served in the senate for two years. If the Dems run Obama it'll be as Hillarys running mate.
The dems dream team, two minorities on a ticket & that would be the reason that the dems would run Obama. For all I know, he's more qualified than anybody, but that reamins to be seen. I'm betting that if Obama runs, Hillary will offer him the VP slot because she'd be afraid that he would nab the presidential nomination from her.
As for McCain or Guillaini, neither of them would get my vote.

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LoneStarMadam wrote:

Desperation is running an unknown that has served in the senate for two years. If the Dems run Obama it'll be as Hillarys running mate.
The dems dream team, two minorities on a ticket & that would be the reason that the dems would run Obama. For all I know, he's more qualified than anybody, but that reamins to be seen. I'm betting that if Obama runs, Hillary will offer him the VP slot because she'd be afraid that he would nab the presidential nomination from her.
As for McCain or Guillaini, neither of them would get my vote.

Obama already polls higher than Hillary with people familiar with both.
Wouldn't vote for Giuliani or McCain? Really? In the following scenarios, tell me who you'd vote for:
Obama Vs. McCain=
Hillary Vs. McCain=
Obama Vs. Giuliani=
Hillary Vs. Giuliani=
Any Dem (fill in name) Vs. McCain=
Any Dem (fill in name) Vs. Giuliani=

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Women are minorities?

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I just figure that the country will want change in 2008, even more than 2006, and Obama represents change. Obama will also bring out the African-American vote in droves. The Dmes have the numbers, if they come out to vote and are allowed to vote. Look for big time attempts at voter suppression if Obama gets the nod Although with the Dems controlling more statehouses, the Republicans might have a harder time stealing this election especially if we get paper verification in place before 2008.

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sozobe wrote:

Women are minorities?

We are as far as civil rights protection goes.

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LoneStarMadam wrote:

Desperation is running an unknown that has served in the senate for two years. If the Dems run Obama it'll be as Hillarys running mate.
The dems dream team, two minorities on a ticket & that would be the reason that the dems would run Obama. For all I know, he's more qualified than anybody, but that reamins to be seen. I'm betting that if Obama runs, Hillary will offer him the VP slot because she'd be afraid that he would nab the presidential nomination from her.
As for McCain or Guillaini, neither of them would get my vote.

Fox & Friends does a short segment bantering with Mancow (Chicago) each morning. This morning they asked him about the four hours he recently spent with Obama. Mancow said he asked Obama if he would consider being Hillary's running mate. According to Mancow, Obama replied that "Not only no, but hell no. If I'm going to run, it will be as No. 1. I don't intend to be second to anybody." Mancow further gave his personal opinion that Obama is good. Very very good. He has the Clintonian ability to be whomever anybody needs him to be at the time.

But there are political proclamations and other poltiical proclamations so we will see.

However, Dick Morris, Washington political analyst with a pretty good track record on predictions, last year was saying that Condi Rice was the only candidate the Republicans had who could beat Hillary in '08. Yesterday he predicted Obama/Hillary in 2008 and they will be elected.

Morris has blown one now and then also, so again we will see.

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Interesting switch showing Hillary as Obama's running mate rather than the other way around. I've vowed not to vote for Hillary unless she was running against a theocrat. I haven't given much thought to how I feel about her as VP, hmmmmmm.

I think it's a mistake to put both of them on the ticket in 2008, regardless of the order. Two much NEW all at once.

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Roxxxanne wrote:

We are as far as civil rights protection goes.

Really? The phrase usually seems to be "women and minorities," and if women WERE considered a minority there wouldn't have to be an "and." A quick check didn't turn up anything in particular, I'll keep looking.

Foxfyre, the anecdote you relate doesn't quite strike the right note with me (as in, I'm not sure I buy it -- not about your recollection, but Mancow's), but I DO think that Obama would be in this to run for the presidency.

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