Obama '08?

Cycloptichorn wrote:

I would wager that I have spent far more time interacting with, living with, and working with minorities, then you ever have or will. I really would.

Uh, Woiyo is Native American, isnt he? You're getting a little ahead of yourself here Cyclo..

Not that his post wasnt hateful, just... yeah, doesnt seem like a wager you'd win then.

It depends on your background. I have grown up around, worked with, and interacted with minorities of various types for my entirely life, on a consistent and constant basis, a situation which continues to this day. And I dare say a much wider variety in terms of nationality and ethnicity then Woiyo has. At least, his postings don't reflect that he has any real understanding of other minority groups then his own.

H2O_MAN wrote:

Obama is the Macintosh of politics.

Finally something sensible from H20_MAN. Obama is slicker, smarter, runs better than anyone else out there, and young people love him. And there are a lot of people who just want to stick with the old junk they've gotten used to simply because they are afraid of anything new. He is just like a Mac.

Yeah, but McCain's long-time "maverick" reputation makes him more like Apple.

"And I dare say a much wider variety in terms of nationality and ethnicity then Woiyo has. At least, his postings don't reflect that he has any real understanding of other minority groups then his own. "

1) How would you know how vast my knowledge of being a minority is as compared to you?

2) I do not pretend, like you, to know what it is like to grow up as a black or hispanic american.

You are an elitist and a racist.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

It depends on your background. I have grown up around, worked with, and interacted with minorities of various types for my entirely life, on a consistent and constant basis, a situation which continues to this day. And I dare say a much wider variety in terms of nationality and ethnicity then Woiyo has. At least, his postings don't reflect that he has any real understanding of other minority groups then his own.

Hm, I dunno. Telling someone who is from an ethnic minority that you, the white guy, "have spent far more time interacting with, living with, and working with minorities" than he has, seems in pretty bad taste to me. Especially if you dont actually know anything about his life.

I can only know you by what you write, woiyo

Cycloptichorn wrote:

I can only know you by what you write, woiyo

There's the rub, Cyclo. If you know nothing about someone but what he writes on a forum about politics -- nothing about his life, nothing about where he came from -- then you shouldnt be making big assertions about how his life matches up to yours. Period.

Otherwise, carry on.

maporsche wrote:

revel wrote:

As far as youthful recreational drugs making someone a drug user, would anyone call president Bush a drug user? If not, then smearing Obama as a drug user for his past usage is not correct and would qualify for a smear tactic.

I think I've seen several hundred posts about GWB being a druggie or some snide comment about his previous drug use or being a dry drunk, etc.

You're right, Bush was criticized about these things.

1) It was quickly dismissed because he was a born again Christian. So is Obama.
2) Bush was still elected.

If Bush's poor performance over the last 7.5 years was due to substance abuse from years prior to him holding office, then yes, it would be a reason to criticize Obama about this.

Like all irrational talking point coming from the right about Obama, if it was going to be an issue in his ability, then it would have manifested itself already elsewhere in his career.

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I get spurred on by posts like this one, which purport to do the same thing to me. When I get called a racist for no reason, it does make me angry.

Maporsche is right; but the attacks are not effective. Clinton and Bush both had admitted drug use and both were given two terms; it does not seem to be a disqualifying factor to the American public, which was the point of my original post on the issue.

Cycloptichorn

More distasteful then accusations of racism, when there is none?

I don't think your argument logically follows. Somebody who grew up amongst one group of minorities, but did not have any real experience with other groups, probably doesn't understand those other groups as well as people who did grow up in that situation - whether or not they themselves are a minority.

I highly doubt that woiyo's experiences as a native American youth are anywhere near those of an African-American youth in America; it's silly to say that they are, as they face a different set of problems and have a different set of 'advantages.' So why should he be an authority on them?

According to the survey - the first national poll conducted entirely after the Democratic presidential candidate's trip to Iraq, Afghanistan, the Middle East, and Europe �- the race for the White House has remained virtually unchanged since late June, with Obama holding a 51-44 percent edge over Sen. John McCain.

Remember Netscape? Ah, it used to be such a famous browser, dominating the internet as a maverick player, defiantly challenging to the big bad Microsoft machine... those were the days, eh?

When was it, around 2000?

Fair enough, I admit my statements were not as artful as they should have been.

In other news,

Quote:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/30/campaign.poll/index.html

That's above 50%.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Fair enough, I admit my statements were not as artful as they should have been.

In other news,

Quote:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/30/campaign.poll/index.html

That's above 50%.

Cycloptichorn

Just a head's up; you are NOT a racist. Don't know if you're black or white, but you certainly know of the pain we've suffered. Thank You, for being a friend!