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Impeach Bush, says Garrison Keillor

 
 
Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 12:18 am
Published on Wednesday, March 1, 2006 by the Chicago Tribune

What to Do When the Emperor Has No Clothes

by Garrison Keillor

These are troubling times for all of us who love this country, as surely we all do, even the satirists. You may poke fun at your mother, but if she is belittled by others it burns your bacon. A blowhard French journalist writes a book about America that is full of arrogant stupidity, and you want to let the air out of him and mail him home flat. And then you read the paper and realize the country is led by a man who isn't paying attention, and you hope that somebody will poke him. Or put a sign on his desk that says, "Try much harder."

Do we need to impeach him to bring some focus to this man's life? The Feb. 27 issue of The New Yorker carries an article by Jane Mayer about a loyal conservative Republican and U.S. Navy lawyer, Albert Mora, and his resistance to the torture of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay. From within the Pentagon bureaucracy, he did battle against Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and John Yoo, who then was at the Justice Department, and shadowy figures taking orders from Vice President Dick "Gunner" Cheney, arguing America had ratified the Geneva Convention that forbids cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment of prisoners, and so it has the force of law. They seemed to be arguing that President Bush has the right to order prisoners to be tortured.

One such prisoner, Mohamed al-Qahtani, was held naked in isolation under bright lights for months, threatened by dogs, subjected to unbearable noise volumes and otherwise abused, so that he begged to be allowed to kill himself. When the Senate approved the Torture Convention in 1994, it defined torture as an act "specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering."

Is the law a law or is it a piece of toast?

Wiretap surveillance of Americans without a warrant? Great. Go for it. How about turning over American ports to a country more closely tied to Sept. 11, 2001, than Saddam Hussein was? Fine by me. No problem. And what about the war in Iraq? Hey, you're doing a heck of a job. No need to tweak a thing. And your blue button-down shirt--it's you.

But torture is something else. Most people agree with this, and in a democracy that puts the torturers in a delicate position. They must make sure to destroy their e-mails and have subordinates who will take the fall. Because it is impossible to keep torture secret. It goes against the American grain and it eats at the conscience of even the most disciplined, and in the end the truth will come out. It is coming out now.

Our adventure in Iraq, at a cost of billions, has brought that country to the verge of civil war while earning us more enemies than ever before. And tax money earmarked for security is being dumped into pork-barrel projects anywhere somebody wants their own SWAT team. Detonation of a nuclear bomb within our borders--pick any big city--is a real possibility, as much so now as five years ago. Meanwhile, many Democrats have conceded the very subject of security and positioned themselves as Guardians of Our Forests and Benefactors of Waifs and Owls, neglecting the most basic job of government, which is to defend this country. The peaceful lagoon that is the White House is designed for the comfort of a vulnerable man. Perfectly understandable, but not what is needed now. The U.S. Constitution provides a simple, ultimate way to hold him to account for war crimes and the failure to attend to the country's defense. Impeach him and let the Senate hear the evidence.

Garrison Keillor is an author and the radio host of "A Prairie Home Companion."

© 2006 Chicago Tribune
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xingu
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 09:36 am
The scary thing is, look what you get if your successful; BOOM BOOM Cheney.
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Montana
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 09:39 am
"Impeach Bush, says Garrison Keillor".

I say this at least once a day ;-)
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woiyo
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 11:14 am
Who?

Garrison who?
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xingu
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 11:22 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrison_Keillor
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woiyo
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 11:53 am
Garrison Keillor (born Gary Edward Keillor on August 7, 1942) is an American author, humorist, columnist, musician, satirist, and radio personality
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 11:57 am
I believe he's from Minnesota isn't he? where the introverts look at their shoes and the extroverts look at your shoes....
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 02:46 pm
Oh, if Garrison says it, there may be hope!
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paull
 
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Reply Tue 14 Mar, 2006 07:26 pm
Good one Bluevein. Never been there tho.

Garrison and Paul Harvey have got a long way on odd sucking sounds.
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 14 Mar, 2006 07:28 pm
Never heard of 'em, should I have?
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pachelbel
 
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Reply Tue 14 Mar, 2006 10:37 pm
If you listen to NPR (National Public Radio) you would have heard of him.

He brings up some good points I think.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 14 Mar, 2006 10:52 pm
This one seems to be getting passed around on the net a lot....


The only thing I can see for which W might be impeachable is abdicating the field in the vicious propaganda war which the dems are waging and which he assumes the majority of Americans will continue to ignore. That may or may not be a valid assumption, I wouldn't risk it myself.

In the case of "war crimes", the people being held in Gitmo are basically terrorists who are most definitely not covered by Geneva conventions or anything else. They are legally equivalent to spies; the normal means of dealing with enemy-nation spies is to get any information you can from them and then kill them. All nations have accepted that since biblical times:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_by_firing_squad

Quote:

The firing squad is commonly used to execute spies; the renowned World War I spy Mata Hari was so executed. It is often considered a particularly honorable method of execution, and as such is intentionally not used for war criminals, who are often hanged....


Ideally, some hog farmers' cooperative should be running Gitmo and a cage without (other) pigs in it should be the reward for useful information.

As to "lying us into a war", I simply can't imagine the amount of chutzvah it must take for the dems to make such a claim a scant six years after Kosovo. In the case of Kosovo in fact, the lie was grandiose. NY Times articles about Kosovo from the late 80s before there was any NATO/Clintonista axe to grind in the case indicate that Albanian Kosovars were and are a bunch of savages, are mainly illegal immigrants to the region, and are hated even by ordinary Albanians, and that Milosevic's lifting of the autonomy of the region in 89 which precipitated the current troubles in the region was absolutely necessary to protect the regions other ethnic groups FROM the Albanian Kosovars.

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/ddj/Kosovo/articles/Binder87NYT.htm

http://members.tripod.com/~sarant_2/ksm.html

Other recent European articles clearly demonstrate that nothing resembling ethnic cleansing or genecide was happening in 98 or 99:

http://www.iraqwar.org/germanreport.htm

http://www.counterpunch.org/biglie.html

The basic reality of Kosovo is that it was meant to take chinagate and the Juanita Broaddrick rape allegations off of the front pages of American newspapers and journals.

All of that is aside from the fact that the claim (of present "war-crimes") has zero merit of course.

We still hear this claim that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. This is aside from the point that both our CIA and British intelligence indicated that there were prior to the spring of 03, and even after democrats started accusing the US military and the Bush administration of allowing hoodlums to "loot" 400 tons of the kinds of high explosives used in implosion bombs. In real life of course, nobody "loots" 400 tons of anything; that stuff got hauled off to Syria in 18-wheelers along with Saddam Hussein's other **** during the extra half a year which the UN, Jake Shellac, Hans Blix and everybody else on the take for oil4food money provided Hussein with prior to the operation. Oil4food money, of course, was meant to feed hungry children, and not build palaces and grad schools for terrorism replete with mockup airliners.

Now, again aside from all of that, there is overwhelming evidence connecting Saddam Hussein with the anthrax attacks which followed 9-11 including poisoning the US senate office building with anthrax.

Moreover, it does not take hundreds of tons of that stuff to create havoc. The sum total which was used was a few teaspoons full. In other words, a lifetime supply of that sort of thing for a guy like Saddam Hussein could easily amount to a hundred pounds worth, and I guarantee that I could hide that in a country the size of Iraq so that it would not be found.

The question of whether or not Hussein had 1000 tons of anthrax powder is simply the wrong question. The right questions are, did the guy have the motive, the technical resources, the financial wherewithal, the facilities, and the intel apparatus to play that sort of game, and the answers to all of those questions are obvious.

The first case of anthrax after 9-11 (Bob Stevens) showed up within miles of where several hijackers stayed JUST BEFORE 9/11, a very unlikely coincidence considering that they could have stayed anywhere in the country.

The last previous case of anthrax in a human in the United States prior to 9-11 had been about 30 years prior to that.

There are other coincidences. For instance, the wife of the editor of the sun (where Stevens worked) also had contact with the hijackers in that she rented them the place they stayed.

Atta and the hijackers flew planes out of an airport in the vicinity and asked about crop dusters on more than one occasion. Indeed, Atta sought a loan to try and modify a crop duster.

Atta and several of the hijackers in this group also sought medical aid just prior to 9/11 for skin lesions that the doctors who saw them now say looked like anthrax lesions.

Basically, you either believe in the laws of probability or you don't. Anybody claiming that all these things were coincidences is either totally in denial or does not believe in modern mathematics and probability theory.

While the anthrax in question originally came from a US strain, it isn't too surprising that Iraq might have that strain since that strain was mailed to laboratories around the world years earlier.

Nonetheless, it was highly sophisticated, and went through envelope paper as if it weren't even there; many thought it to be not only beyond the capabilities of Hussein but of anybody else on the planet as well including us. Nonetheless, later information showed Husseins programs to be capable of such feats:

http://www.aim.org/publications/media_monitor/2004/01/01.html

Basically, the anthrax attack which followed 9/11 had Saddam Hussein's fingerprints all over it. It was particalized so finely it went right through envelop paper and yet was not weaponized (not hardened against antibiotics). It was basically a warning, saying as much as:

"Hey, fools, some of my friends just knocked your two towers down and if you try to do anything about it, this is what could happen. F*** you, and have a nice day!!"


There is no way an American who had had anything to do with that would not be behind bars by now. In fact the one American they originally suspected told investigators that if he'd had anything to do with that stuff, he would either have anthrax or have the antibodies from the preventive medicine in his blood and offered to take a blood test on the spot. That of course was unanswerable.

In fact The Czech government is sticking with its story of Mohammed Atta having met with one of Saddam Hussein's top spies prior to 9-11 and there are even pictures of the two together on the internet now:

http://thexreport.com/atta_and_al-ani_photo_and_analysis.htm

http://www.thexreport.com/alani14.jpg

The basic American notion of a presumption of innocence is not meaningful or useful in cases like that of Saddam Hussein. Even the Japanese had the decency to have their own markings on their aircraft at Pearl Harbor; Nobody had to guess who did it. Saddam Hussein, on the other hand, is like the kid in school who was always standing around snickering when things went bad, but who could never be shown to have had a hand in anything directly. At some point, guys would start to kick that guy's ass periodically on general principles. Likewise, in the case of Saddam Hussein, the reasonable assumption is that he's guilty unless he somehow or other manages to prove himself innocent and, obviously, that did not happen.

At the time, the US military was in such disarray from the eight years of the Clinton regime that there was nothing we could do about it. Even such basic items as machinegun barrels, which we should have warehouses full of, were simply not there. Nonetheless, nobody should think they would get away with such a thing and, apparently, Hussein and his baathists didn't.

Bob Woodward's book "Bush at War" documents some of this:

Quote:

'Cheney?s chief of staff, Scooter Libby, quickly questions the wisdom of mentioning state sponsorship. Tenet, sensitive to the politics of Capitol Hill and the news media, terminates any discussion of state sponsorship
with the clear statement:

Quote:
"I'm not going to talk about a state sponsor."


'Vice President Cheney further drives the point home:

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"It's good that we don't, because we're not ready to do anything about it."



Even simple things like body armor, ammunition, and machinegun barrels which we should have warehouses full of simply weren't there, i.e. they'd been sold off at 40 cents on the dollar for DNC money. A friend of mine called up one of the nation's premier barrel makers about a barrel for a target rifle in early 02 and was told that they were working
24/7 making machinegun barrels and didn't have time for any sort of civilian firearm business.

Now, a president in W's position taking over after the 8 years of total mismanagement and abuse of this perverted Clinton administration had about two choices after 9/11: He could do what he actually did, or he could do what many probably have done which would be to nuke Mecca, Medina, Rihyad, Falluja, and every other den of slammite terrorism on the planet and ban the practice of I-slam throughout the world.

A reasonable person would probably like to at least try what W. has first.

The basic reality appears to me to be that the leaders of the de-moker-rat party and many on the left including people like Garrison (slow is cool) Keiler, have become deranged and are living in dream worlds.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 14 Mar, 2006 10:56 pm
Basic reality: Amish and Mennonite people I see in parts of Pa. are bright enough not to be driving their horse buggies down I95, and I can't picture them doing that.

But I could picture Garrison Keiler doing that pretty easily...
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2006 02:25 am
He's really lost it now.

Did he ever have it?
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2006 07:07 am
gungasnake wrote:
Other recent European articles clearly demonstrate that nothing resembling ethnic cleansing or genecide was happening in 98 or 99:

http://www.iraqwar.org/germanreport.htm

http://www.counterpunch.org/biglie.html

I dont really see how the self-described "bi-weekly muckraking newsletter" Counterpunch counts as a "European" publication, but that's probably besides the point. In any case it's good, in an odd way, to see you are such a vigilant reader of far-left publications. Walter already pointed out several times that your other link here is from Junge Welt, a German hardline communist youth paper.

gungasnake wrote:
In real life of course, nobody "loots" 400 tons of anything; that stuff got hauled off to Syria in 18-wheelers along with Saddam Hussein's other **** during the extra half a year which the UN, Jake Shellac, Hans Blix [..] provided Hussein

Any proof? Whatsoever?

gungasnake wrote:
In fact The Czech government is sticking with its story of Mohammed Atta having met with one of Saddam Hussein's top spies prior to 9-11


This is from the 911 Commission Report prepared at the request of the President and Congress:

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Atta's Alleged Trip to Prague

Mohamed Atta is known to have been in Prague on two occasions: in December 1994, when he stayed one night at a transit hotel, and in June 2000, when he was en route to the United States. On the latter occasion, he arrived by bus from Germany, on June 2, and departed for Newark the following day.69

The allegation that Atta met with an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague in April 2001 originates from the reporting of a single source of the Czech intelligence service. Shortly after 9/11, the source reported having seen Atta meet with Ahmad Khalil Ibrahim Samir al Ani, an Iraqi diplomat, at the Iraqi Embassy in Prague on April 9, 2001, at 11:00 A.M. This information was passed to CIA headquarters.

The U.S. legal attaché ("Legat") in Prague, the representative of the FBI, met with the Czech service's source. After the meeting, the assessment of the Legat and the Czech officers present was that they were 70 percent sure that the source was sincere and believed his own story of the meeting. Subsequently, the Czech intelligence service publicly stated that there was a 70 percent probability that the meeting between Atta and Ani had taken place. The Czech Interior Minister also made several statements to the press about his belief that the meeting had occurred, and the story was widely reported.

The FBI has gathered evidence indicating that Atta was in Virginia Beach on April 4 (as evidenced by a bank surveillance camera photo), and in Coral Springs, Florida on April 11, where he and Shehhi leased an apartment. On April 6, 9, 10, and 11, Atta's cellular telephone was used numerous times to call various lodging establishments in Florida from cell sites within Florida. We cannot confirm that he placed those calls. But there are no U.S. records indicating that Atta departed the country during this period. Czech officials have reviewed their flight and border records as well for any indication that Atta was in the Czech Republic in April 2001, including records of anyone crossing the border who even looked Arab. They have also reviewed pictures from the area near the Iraqi embassy and have not discovered photos of anyone who looked like Atta. No evidence has been found that Atta was in the Czech Republic in April 2001.

According to the Czech government, Ani, the Iraqi officer alleged to have met with Atta, was about 70 miles away from Prague on April 8-9 and did not return until the afternoon of the ninth, while the source was firm that the sighting occurred at 11:00 A.M. When questioned about the reported April 2001 meeting, Ani--now in custody--has denied ever meeting or having any contact with Atta. Ani says that shortly after 9/11, he became concerned that press stories about the alleged meeting might hurt his career. Hoping to clear his name, Ani asked his superiors to approach the Czech government about refuting the allegation. He also denies knowing of any other Iraqi official having contact with Atta.

These findings cannot absolutely rule out the possibility that Atta was in Prague on April 9, 2001. He could have used an alias to travel and a passport under that alias, but this would be an exception to his practice of using his true name while traveling (as he did in January and would in July when he took his next overseas trip). The FBI and CIA have uncovered no evidence that Atta held any fraudulent passports.

KSM and Binalshibh both deny that an Atta-Ani meeting occurred. There was no reason for such a meeting, especially considering the risk it would pose to the operation. By April 2001, all four pilots had completed most of their training, and the muscle hijackers were about to begin entering the United States.

The available evidence does not support the original Czech report of an Atta-Ani meeting.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2006 07:27 am
nimh wrote:
gungasnake wrote:


....This is from the 911 Commission Report prepared at the request of the President and Congress:....


Jamie Gorilla was on that commission. Enough said.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2006 07:33 am
gungasnake wrote:
nimh wrote:
....This is from the 911 Commission Report prepared at the request of the President and Congress:....

Jamie Gorilla was on that commission. Enough said.

So were five Republicans.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 15 Mar, 2006 07:54 am
For whatever perverted purpose, blackmail or whatever, a small number of republicans/rinos have bought into the business of covering for the Klintler administration, which is what that crap is about.

9/11 Happened because of the Gorelick wall, instituted to keep the FBI out of chinagate.
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