FINALLY!!! A NATIONAL PLAN TO REFORM THE ELECTRAL COLLEGE

Anon-Voter wrote:

The fact is ... WE are paying the nations bills ... not they! WE represent a much larger portion of the nation ... not they! If they want a heavier weight in what goes on, get more people in the state!!

Personally, I'm tired of paying higher taxes for these people to have a more important vote than I have!!

Anon

Now, that's true, to a point. But let's be very clear here. Those small population states own less than 50% of their own land. The land is owned by YOU. We can't collect taxes, sell, make money etc from most of the land within the borders of our states. If we are to have no compensation for that, then give us our damn land back.

As to BBB, I read the proposal, understand clearly what it says, and continue to disagree with it wholeheartedly. You assertion that just because we disagree and perhaps argue points you are not prepared to contend with is because we don't understand you post is condescending in the extreme. I get it; I just don't like the proposal - for all of the reasons outlined in previous posts.

Okie,

California by itself is the worlds fifth largest economy. Check it out if you don't believe me. The truth is that we don't really need you. Matter of fact, if we had been on our own, the utility companies like Enron, Duke, and the others who wre screwing us with the blessings of the Bush Administration would have not of had the opportunity. What we SHOULD have done is shut down the use of our ports for the rest of the Western U.S. which would have put the U.S. in a real hot spot.

First order of the day ... get rid of Arnie ... then we can start working on the rest!!

Anon

By the way, I have no desire to help pay for all the social security, medicaid, medicare, and welfare for the citizens of California either. Pay it yourself. And the next time a terrorist destroys something in California, fix it yourself.

Pardon me, but I pay plenty of taxes, and I am sure there are millions in California that don't. The way I see it, I'm helping pay along with all of you Californians that are as well.

But hey, if you want to declare independence, I think I'm for it. You would not get much argument from me on it. Pay for your own military and the whole ball of wax.

Local costs of war

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/02/23/MNG7UHDAT41.DTL

If Congress approves President Bush's latest spending request to fight the war in Iraq, total costs will hit $315.8 billion. A new study from the National Priorities Project says that translates into a $40.6 billion cost for the people of California and gives this breakdown for selected Bay Area cities, weighted by population and income.

Dollars in millions

Vallejo 147.5 million

Tracy 90.1

Tiburon 23.3

South San Francisco 94.5

Sausalito 16.2

Santa Rosa 189.9

Santa Clara 179.5

San Rafael 86.4

San Bruno 63

San Anselmo 22.3

Richmond 110.8

Palo Alto 113.8

Novato 76.3

Napa 90.1

Mountain View 123.9

Mill Valley 31.2

Martinez 57.1

Larkspur 20.2

Hayward 181

Fremont 393.4

Fairfax 10.8

Daly City 163.1

Corte Madera 18.4

Campbell 64.7

Belvedere 7

Benicia 45.9

Berkeley 115.4

Oakland 404.1

San Jose 1.6 billion

San Francisco $1.1 billion

Okie,

California by itself is the worlds fifth largest economy. Check it out if you don't believe me. The truth is that we don't really need you. Matter of fact, if we had been on our own, the utility companies like Enron, Duke, and the others who wre screwing us with the blessings of the Bush Administration would have not of had the opportunity. What we SHOULD have done is shut down the use of our ports for the rest of the Western U.S. which would have put the U.S. in a real hot spot.

First order of the day ... get rid of Arnie ... then we can start working on the rest!!

Anon

California by itself is the worlds fifth largest economy. The truth is that we don't really need you.

Anon-Voter wrote:

California by itself is the worlds fifth largest economy. The truth is that we don't really need you.

This is one of the very reasons I hold the electorial college so dear.

Anon-Voter wrote:

Okie,

California by itself is the worlds fifth largest economy. Check it out if you don't believe me. The truth is that we don't really need you. Matter of fact, if we had been on our own, the utility companies like Enron, Duke, and the others who wre screwing us with the blessings of the Bush Administration would have not of had the opportunity. What we SHOULD have done is shut down the use of our ports for the rest of the Western U.S. which would have put the U.S. in a real hot spot.

First order of the day ... get rid of Arnie ... then we can start working on the rest!!

Anon

Interesting. You do realize, of course, that during the whole rolling blackout problem, you had 3 plants sitting idle because of California law, no-one else. It was California that trippled my utility bills from 3 states away. Everything you do affects the rest of the country. This notion of yours that you don't need the rural areas is ridiculous. The same goes for the rural states that think they don't need the coastal states. Such venom. Play nice, children!

2PacksAday wrote:

Anon-Voter wrote:

California by itself is the worlds fifth largest economy. The truth is that we don't really need you.

This is one of the very reasons I hold the electorial college so dear.

Agreed!! Anon won the argument for us here against his own position.

Wrong again. Just equal value, by state.

Well, since you don't listen to reason, I guess there's nothing left but to feed your delusion. Perhaps us small states with all of our huge powers will vote ourselves a big fat check from California. :wink:

No, you were not disenfranchised. You got to vote, that was not denied to you. Your candidate lost. got less votes than the other guy. But by your own admission, you voted. You can only be disenfranchised if you are denied the OPPORTUNITY to vote. It has nothing to do with voting for candidate that gets less votes than the other candidate.