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Gallup: 55% Now Call Iraq War a 'Mistake'

 
 
Zippo
 
Reply Wed 22 Feb, 2006 03:08 pm
By E&P Staff

Published: February 22, 2006 12:30 AM ET


NEW YORK More Americans than nearly ever before now say the war in Iraq is a "mistake" for the United States, according to a new Gallup poll. That figure now stands at 55%, up 4% point since late January. Only once before was the figure higher, at 59%, and that was during the period of overall pessimism right after Hurricane Katrina hit.

Gallup noted that it had asked this question about other wars involving the United States, "and only the Vietnam War engendered more public opposition than the current Iraq War. " The peak opposition to the Vietnam conflict was 61%. That figure for the generally unpopular Korean War was 51%.

When asked to assess the progress of the war, only 31% say the United States and its allies are winning the war – the lowest Gallup has measured to date. "A majority of Americans, 55%, say neither side is winning the war, while just 10% say the insurgents in Iraq are winning," Gallup reports.

The polll questioned exactly 1000 adults across the country this month.

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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 23 Feb, 2006 09:24 am
Given the poll numbers, it is almost certain that some people who now think that the Iraq war is a mistake are also people who voted for Bush in 2004. Of course, very little has changed between then and now -- it was a disaster then and it's the same disaster now -- and anyone who voted for Bush must have known that they were voting for a policy of "more of the same" from their candidate. Bush voters who only now think that the Iraq war is a mistake are either abysmally ignorant or they're just not paying attention.

Which all goes to reinforce my long-held opinion that people, in general, should not be allowed to vote.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Thu 23 Feb, 2006 09:29 am
joefromchicago wrote:
Given the poll numbers, it is almost certain that some people who now think that the Iraq war is a mistake are also people who voted for Bush in 2004. Of course, very little has changed between then and now -- it was a disaster then and it's the same disaster now -- and anyone who voted for Bush must have known that they were voting for a policy of "more of the same" from their candidate. Bush voters who only now think that the Iraq war is a mistake are either abysmally ignorant or they're just not paying attention.

Which all goes to reinforce my long-held opinion that people, in general, should not be allowed to vote.

Remaining uncertain as to whether WMD were still being developed and hidden in Iraq would have been extraordinarily dangerous for the world. The invasion was not at all a mistake.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Thu 23 Feb, 2006 09:31 am
Re: Gallup: 55% Now Call Iraq War a 'Mistake'
Zippo wrote:
By E&P Staff

Published: February 22, 2006 12:30 AM ET


NEW YORK More Americans than nearly ever before now say the war in Iraq is a "mistake" for the United States, according to a new Gallup poll. That figure now stands at 55%, up 4% point since late January. Only once before was the figure higher, at 59%, and that was during the period of overall pessimism right after Hurricane Katrina hit.

Gallup noted that it had asked this question about other wars involving the United States, "and only the Vietnam War engendered more public opposition than the current Iraq War. " The peak opposition to the Vietnam conflict was 61%. That figure for the generally unpopular Korean War was 51%.

When asked to assess the progress of the war, only 31% say the United States and its allies are winning the war - the lowest Gallup has measured to date. "A majority of Americans, 55%, say neither side is winning the war, while just 10% say the insurgents in Iraq are winning," Gallup reports.

The polll questioned exactly 1000 adults across the country this month.

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How many people were opposed to declaring independence from Great Britain at various times during the Revolutionary War, and how many more would have said they were opposed if they didn't fear reprisals?
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 23 Feb, 2006 09:45 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
Remaining uncertain as to whether WMD were still being developed and hidden in Iraq would have been extraordinarily dangerous for the world. The invasion was not at all a mistake.

And thus Brandon continues his unbroken streak of completely failing to get the point of the post to which he is responding.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 23 Feb, 2006 10:59 am
Brandon can't get WMD out of his head and now he goes back to the Revolutionary War. This does not change the fact that 55% of the American populace thinks it was a mistake.

I think he would find even higher numbers in other countries.
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vinsan
 
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Reply Thu 23 Feb, 2006 11:13 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
Remaining uncertain as to whether WMD were still being developed and hidden in Iraq would have been extraordinarily dangerous for the world. The invasion was not at all a mistake.


Ok Brandon, Afghanistan, Iraq & now Iran.

You say American leaders are worried about people in the world who are under the CONSTANT (!) threat of nuclear bombs or terrorism. They care about those countries and their people.

So When do you expect to have "America" in your National Agenda? When would they start caring about Americans?
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candidone1
 
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Reply Thu 23 Feb, 2006 11:28 am
This is not a surprising statistic.
McG and Brandon have relentlessly and blindly supported basically anything the Bush administration does and support it in the name of a greater or higher cause, regardless of any mountain of evidence disproving their thesis.

I mean, Brandon still clings to the notion that there was/is/had to be/still is...... WMD somewhere in/around/under/moved out of Iraq.

But seriously, these guys are the educated bunch who supported Bush. There is a pile of uneducated conservatives who eat whatever is fed to them through Fox news.

I'm not in the least bit surprised.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 23 Feb, 2006 11:32 am
Just as you and others have "blindly" opposed anything the Bush administration does. Yin and Yang.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Thu 23 Feb, 2006 11:42 am
McGentrix wrote:
Just as you and others have "blindly" opposed anything the Bush administration does. Yin and Yang.


I would not oppose anything reasonable proposed by the administration.
Tax cuts are a fabulous idea if they are economically viable.
Fighting terror is a noble endeavor so long as the quest for freedom for others doesn't impinge upon the existing freedoms of Americans.

I agree in principle with many things Bush believes his government should do, but I disagree with the actualization/implementation of the policies. There is a difference in being critical of the policy and being critical of the implementation of the policy.

You are far more reasonable in these matters as you have often illustrated that you are not a supporter simply for supports sake. Brandon however clings to a possible reality that has and never will cohere with the reality everyone else participates in. That's precisely why these discussions are so easily derailed because you can predict with 100% accuracy what he will say at any given moment. There is no room for the possibility that what he believes is patently false, irrational, untrue or completely unjustified.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Thu 23 Feb, 2006 01:08 pm
joefromchicago wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
Remaining uncertain as to whether WMD were still being developed and hidden in Iraq would have been extraordinarily dangerous for the world. The invasion was not at all a mistake.

And thus Brandon continues his unbroken streak of completely failing to get the point of the post to which he is responding.

Translation: You cannot counter my assertion. Remember:

1. Actually responding to what your opponent has asserted is to be avoided at all costs.
2. Make it personal if possible, even if your opponent hasn't.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Thu 23 Feb, 2006 04:06 pm
Well, the contention that anyone has dodged your argument is patently false.
You have routinely been drawn to the debate of WMD in Iraq and steadfastly maintain, still to this day, that Iraqi WMD development should still be a talking point of the invasion.

Many of us have in the past discussed the arguments you make on a point by point basis only to have you abstractly declare "victory", as if the claim has any basis in the discussion in the first place.

It's far easier to huck at you the occasional ad hominem becasue at least you then reply in a logical and rational manner. Any other point is not worth discussing with you becasue 9 times out of 10 you adhere to a completely irrational form of debate.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 23 Feb, 2006 05:31 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
Translation: You cannot counter my assertion.

That sounds like one of those Babelfish translations that bear no resemblance to the original source.

Brandon9000 wrote:
Remember:

1. Actually responding to what your opponent has asserted is to be avoided at all costs.

Coming from you, this statement is the height of irony. But perhaps you'd like to explain again how your post addressed the points raised in either my post or in the original post.

Brandon9000 wrote:
2. Make it personal if possible, even if your opponent hasn't.

What personal remarks did I make?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 23 Feb, 2006 08:14 pm
Brandon long ago learned the trick of contending that contradiction equals a personal slur--it is much more convenient than responding to the contradiction itself. Any criticism of his rhetorical method is also branded as a "personal remark," once again, to avoid the necessity of confronting the flaws in what passes for reasoning at his house when the topic is political.

Brandon has more than once declared to me that he has "won" an argument, when he has completely failed to address the points adduced against his point of view. It is truly a waste of your time, Joe.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Thu 23 Feb, 2006 11:32 pm
One of the factors that make this medium such a lousy way to have a discussion is that even those who are completely out of the loop will find someone who will actually repsond to her or him. In a real convesation, people like this are laughed at and ignored. The clueless person then shuts his yapper or becomes reasonable. Not so on these bulletin boards. The clueless keep yapping and someone always responds to these dolts.
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