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37 million poor hidden in the land of plenty

 
 
Reply Sun 19 Feb, 2006 10:23 am
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37 million poor hidden in the land of plenty

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Paul Harris in Kentucky
Sunday February 19, 2006


Americans have always believed that hard work will bring rewards, but vast numbers now cannot meet their bills even with two or three jobs. More than one in 10 citizens live below the poverty line, and the gap between the haves and have-nots is widening

A shocking 37 million Americans live in poverty. That is 12.7 per cent of the population - the highest percentage in the developed world. They are found from the hills of Kentucky to Detroit's streets, from the Deep South of Louisiana to the heartland of Oklahoma. Each year since 2001 their number has grown. Under President George W Bush an extra 5.4 million have slipped below the poverty line. Yet they are not a story of the unemployed or the destitute. Most have jobs. Many have two. Amos Lumpkins has work and his children go to school. But the economy, stripped of worker benefits like healthcare, is having trouble providing good wages. Even families with two working parents are often one slice of bad luck - a medical bill or factory closure - away from disaster. The minimum wage of $5.15 (£2.95) an hour has not risen since 1997 and, adjusted for inflation, is at its lowest since 1956. The gap between the haves and the have-nots looms wider than ever. Faced with rising poverty rates, Bush's trillion-dollar federal budget recently raised massive amounts of defence spending for the war in Iraq and slashed billions from welfare programmes.


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littlek
 
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Reply Fri 17 Mar, 2006 09:47 pm
Shocking....? So...., you're not from the US then?
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 09:14 am
Not shocking, but still, good to mention again (and again..)
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patiodog
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 10:31 am
There's an easy fix to this: lower the poverty line.




(I say it, but the admin may already have done it...)
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 11:10 am
Actually the article i posted maybe a glaring piece of propaganda.
and for some unknown reason the article failed to mention how many people can't ever find a job due to the minimum wage barrier...

Glad i looked this up.

# 46% of poor households in America own their own homes.
# Of all “poor” households in America, about 75% own a car and 30% own two or more cars!
# 97% of such households have a color TV; 50% own two or more color televisions.
# 78% have a VCR or DVD player; 62% have cable or satellite TV reception
# 25% (one quarter) of these homes have a BIG SCREEN TV!
# Microwave ovens exist in 73% of poor households 50% have a stereo (luxury item), and 33% own dishwasher.
# “The typical poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe.” In other words, from the data, the poor in America have about 116% of the housing space of the AVERAGE citizen of countries like the UK, France and Germany. Our poor are better off than any other country’s AVERAGE citizen!
# 76% of households classified as “poor” in America have air conditioning.
# 26% have a cell phone
# 24% have a computer
# Almost 100% (98.9% to be exact) have a refrigerator to help keep their food fresh longer! This also means that they all have electricity!
# 54% live in a single-family dwelling!
# Only 5% of the nation’s poor have more than one person per room in their house! 68% have less than half a person per room or two rooms per person or MORE!
# Only 4% of poor households in the United States have “severe physical problems” and half of those are attributed to “a shared bathroom, which occurs when occupants lack a bathroom and must share bathroom facilities with individuals in a neighboring unit.”
# A mere 2% of poor households have been listed as “Often Did Not Have Enough Food to Eat Due to Lack of Money” and 9% “Sometimes Did Not Have Enough Food to Eat Due to Lack of Money”. Also note that “Hunger” is a subjective term. I am hungry right now but it does not have anything to do with my financial state.
# 70% claimed that they were able to meet all essential household expenses (rent, mortgage, utility, etc)

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/bg1713.cfm
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littlek
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 12:29 pm
You find those facts comforting? I find them scary. Poor is a term based on household income, no? So, perhaps those people are newly poor and they'll be selling off their things as they need to....?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 12:40 pm
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littlek
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 12:43 pm
Mysteryman, 14 bucks an hour may go far in the heartland, but it doesn't go far in many of the congested coastal metropolises.
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littlek
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 12:46 pm
By the way, the heritage.org is a conservative think-tank. This doesn't necessarily make it wrong, but it may make it biased.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 12:49 pm
War in Iraq and Afghanistan now up to 9.8 billion a month. That's a lot of Maypo.
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Chai
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 01:08 pm
freedom4free wrote:
Actually the article i posted maybe a glaring piece of propaganda.
and for some unknown reason the article failed to mention how many people can't ever find a job due to the minimum wage barrier...

Glad i looked this up.

# 46% of poor households in America own their own homes.
# Of all "poor" households in America, about 75% own a car and 30% own two or more cars!
# 97% of such households have a color TV; 50% own two or more color televisions.
# 78% have a VCR or DVD player; 62% have cable or satellite TV reception
# 25% (one quarter) of these homes have a BIG SCREEN TV!

# Microwave ovens exist in 73% of poor households 50% have a stereo (luxury item), and 33% own dishwasher.
# "The typical poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe." In other words, from the data, the poor in America have about 116% of the housing space of the AVERAGE citizen of countries like the UK, France and Germany. Our poor are better off than any other country's AVERAGE citizen!
# 76% of households classified as "poor" in America have air conditioning.
# 26% have a cell phone
# 24% have a computer
# Almost 100% (98.9% to be exact) have a refrigerator to help keep their food fresh longer! This also means that they all have electricity!
# 54% live in a single-family dwelling!
# Only 5% of the nation's poor have more than one person per room in their house! 68% have less than half a person per room or two rooms per person or MORE!
# Only 4% of poor households in the United States have "severe physical problems" and half of those are attributed to "a shared bathroom, which occurs when occupants lack a bathroom and must share bathroom facilities with individuals in a neighboring unit."
# A mere 2% of poor households have been listed as "Often Did Not Have Enough Food to Eat Due to Lack of Money" and 9% "Sometimes Did Not Have Enough Food to Eat Due to Lack of Money". Also note that "Hunger" is a subjective term. I am hungry right now but it does not have anything to do with my financial state.
# 70% claimed that they were able to meet all essential household expenses (rent, mortgage, utility, etc)

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/bg1713.cfm


Comments on some of these statistics....

46% own their own home? As in paid off? Or are they paying a mortgage note that takes up most of their income, for housing that is substandard.

75% own cars - 30% more than 1 - Are these mostly Porsches or Lamborginis? More likely they are used vehicles that are 10 or more years old, with chronic problems, and even safety issues...plus, since they are old and don't run well, poor gas mileage, meaning having to purchase more gas, which means you may own a car, but are unable to drive it. And how many people illegally forgo car insurance? I had a car of mine totaled by someone with no insurance, good thing I had mine.

97% own color TV's....are they mostly HD or plasma? Or, are they ones they paid $100 for at walmart, or bought at Goodwill for $25.00. Color TV does not exactly equal wealth. As a matter of fact, you would be hard pressed to even find many B&W's for sale. Welcome to the 21st century.

DVD's & VCR's? Same thing, people swap them, sell them cheap...I'm looking at craigslist right now, for Austin, and there's a DVD player for $30.00 I'd probably find it cheaper if I kept looking

Microwaves, "stereo" systems (read boombox) c'mon, these are practically throw away items...Again, looking at craigslist I see...
A refridgerator for $75.00
A washer & dryer for $100.00
A dryer alone for $40
The bad thing is, again, the the car, they don't work well and are very cost inefficient.

When you're poor, you're ingenious on how to get things that will help you get by

You get a pay as you go cell for $49.99 and buy minutes.
You drive around neighborhood stopping at yard sales.

When you do get a couple extra bucks, you splurge by buying a used DVD player from a friend for $15.00 and a joint.

70% can meet all basic household expenses? Hope no one gets a toothache.

This is a prime example of making statistics say whatever you want.
Those figures make it sound like people are shopping at Nordstroms and never heard of beans and rice.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 01:10 pm
littlek wrote:
By the way, the heritage.org is a conservative think-tank. This doesn't necessarily make it wrong, but it may make it biased.


So,find a "liberal think tank" and post their numbers for the same period.
Lets see if they agree or not.

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Mysteryman, 14 bucks an hour may go far in the heartland, but it doesn't go far in many of the congested coastal metropolises.


That is because so many people choose to live there.
Are you saying that where you CHOOSE to live means your employer must pay you more?

I dont agree with that.
If you dont like what your employer is paying you,find another job.
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patiodog
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 01:22 pm
A few thoughts...

1 - Given the source of the statistics, I would take them with a grain of salt. (Add to the car point -- the rural poor must own a car; even relatively affluent rural communities (such as the one I grew up in) have no public transportation and no areas where it is possible for a large number of people to live and work at a job that pays a meager income. A caveat on the house point -- many people own their home but not the land it sits on; go to any trailer park to see what I mean...)

B - An overriding point of the article and the posting may be that what we call poverty in the U.S. or Europe would be regarded as affluence in most of the world. Now, I don't think that means we should ignore the people in our own country who are substantially worse off then most folks, if for no other reason than I don't want people coming to take my stuff. A big part of the reason I'm willing to give the government a big chunk of my income (even though most of it will be wasted or spent on endeavors I'd rather not support) is to help keep other folks well off enough that they don't want to come take my stuff. (tip of tongue in cheek) Still, I'd rather be in the bottom 10% in the United States than in the midde third in, fer instance, Zimbabwe.

gamma - I could read the screed of statistics as an argument for how well our welfare system is working as much as for its reduction or abolition (again, I'm making an assumption about the Heritage Foundation's intentions, but I feel pretty secure in making it). I could say, "Hey! We're giving those people color TVs!" Or I could say, "Damn! Look how well we take care of our poor compared to some other countries (as long as those countries aren't, fer instance, Canada).

zed - Because we can do better, we should do better. If there are ten people at the dinner table, and nine of them have ample portions and one of them has a banana peel, I want to give the tenth something decent to eat, not feel smug that we've managed to feed the other nine.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 01:27 pm
and if that 10th person CHOOSES,thru their actions or inactions,to have that banana peel?

Should you then force that person to have something else?
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littlek
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 01:27 pm
Mysteryman, I just wanted to point out the possible bias for consideration. If you want to, you go find a liberal think tank.
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patiodog
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 01:30 pm
And if you're unlucky enough to be the child of the person who (for sake of argument) chooses to have a banana peel?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 01:35 pm
patiodog wrote:
And if you're unlucky enough to be the child of the person who (for sake of argument) chooses to have a banana peel?


Then that child should be taken away and placed with a family that will raise them and care for them properly.

The child should not suffer because of the sins of the parents,but the parents should not be allowed to raise children like that either.
Some people choose to live in squalor and poverty,because they dont want to do better,so I say let them.
But,dont allow them to raise children in that environment.
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patiodog
 
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Reply Sat 18 Mar, 2006 01:58 pm
That's a whole lot of foster homes you're going to have to come up with, as well as a lot of personnel and red tape to greatly expand and enforce criteria for removing a child from the custody of its children. It'd take quite a judge to fairly, accurately, and efficiently assess which parents are making an effort to rise above their situation and which aren't. Good luck with your social planning.
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revel
 
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Reply Sun 19 Mar, 2006 12:03 pm
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/24/business/main1342205.shtml

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Fed: Incomes For U.S. Families Falling

WASHINGTON, Feb. 24, 2006

AP) After the booming 1990s when incomes and stock prices were soaring, this decade has been less of a thrill ride for most American families.

Average incomes after adjusting for inflation actually fell from 2001 to 2004, and the growth in net worth was the weakest in a decade, the Federal Reserve reported Thursday.

Many families were struggling in the aftermath of the 2001 recession and the bursting of the stock market bubble in 2000, the Fed's latest "Survey of Consumer Finances" showed. The comprehensive look at household balance sheets comes every three years.

Average family incomes, after adjusting for inflation, fell to $70,700 in 2004, a drop of 2.3 percent when compared with 2001. That was the weakest showing since a decline of 11.3 percent from 1989 to 1992, a period that also covered a recession.

The average incomes had soared by 17.3 percent in the 1998-2001 period and 12.3 percent from 1995 to 1998 as the country enjoyed the longest economic expansion in history.

The median family income, the point where half the families made more and half made less, rose a tiny 1.6 percent to $43,200 in 2004 compared with 2001.

Economists said the weakness in the most recent period was understandable given the loss of 2.7 million jobs from early 2001 through August of 2003, when the country was struggling with sizable layoffs caused by the recession, the terrorist attacks and corporate accounting scandals.

The weak income and the stock market decline in the early part of the decade, which wiped out $7 trillion of paper wealth, had an adverse impact on family balance sheets.

Net worth, the difference between assets and liabilities such as loans, rose by 6.3 percent in the 2001-2004 period to an average of $448,200 after adjusting for inflation. That gain was far below the huge increases of 25.6 percent from 1995 to 1998 and 28.7 percent from 1998 to 2001, increases that were fueled by soaring stock prices.

The 2001-2004 performance was the worst since net worth actually declined by 9.9 percent in the 1989-1992 period.

The median family net worth, the point where half the families owned more and half owned less, stood at $93,100 in 2004, a rise of 1.5 percent after adjusting for inflation from 2001.

The report showed that the slowdown in the accumulation of net worth would have been even more sizable except for the fact that homeowners have enjoyed big gains in the value of their homes in recent years.

The gap between the very wealthy and other income groups widened during the period.

The top 10 percent of households saw their net worth rise by 6.1 percent to an average of $3.11 million while the bottom 25 percent suffered a decline from a net worth in which their assets equaled their liabilities in 2001 to owing $1,400 more than their total assets in 2004.

"This is the continuing story of the rich getting richer," said David Wyss, chief economist at Standard & Poor's in New York. "Clearly, the gains in wealth are going to the top end."

Democrats used the new report to blast President George W. Bush's economic policies, contending it would be wrong to make permanent his tax cuts which primarily benefited the wealthy.

"These statistics show why, even though GDP is rising, most people do not feel better off," said Sen. Charles Schumer, a New York Democrat.

The Fed survey found that the percentage of Americans who owned stocks, either directly or through a mutual fund, fell by 3.3 percentage points to 48.6 percent in 2004, down from 51.9 percent in 2001. Analysts said this was an indication that investors burned by plunging stock prices in the decade's early years have been leery about getting back into the market.

The share of Americans' financial assets invested in stocks dipped to 17.6 percent in 2004, down from 21.7 percent in 2001. But reflecting the housing boom, the share of assets made up by home ownership rose to 50.3 percent in 2004, compared with 46.9 percent in 2001.

The Fed survey found that debts as a percent of total assets rose to 15 percent in 2004, up from 12.1 percent in 2001. Mortgages to finance home purchases were by far the biggest share of total debt at 75.2 percent in 2004, unchanged from the 2001 level.

There was concern that families may start to feel even more squeezed as the cost of financing their debts increases along with rising interest rates.

While surging home values have supported consumer spending in recent years, analysts worry about the economic impact if, as expected, the home price surge begins to slow this year.

"This report shows a race between factors boosting net worth such as home ownership and factors pushing the other way such as weak wage growth," said Jared Bernstein, senior economist at the liberal Economic Policy Institute, a Washington think tank. "Unless we start to see better income growth from jobs and wages, it is hard to see major gains in net worth for the typical family."
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