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CIA chief sacked for opposing torture

 
 
Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2006 01:25 pm
Will this show up in the US media?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-524-2036182-524,00.html

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CIA chief sacked for opposing torture

Sarah Baxter and Michael Smith, Washington

The CIA's top counter-terrorism official was fired last week because he opposed detaining Al-Qaeda suspects in secret prisons abroad, sending them to other countries for interrogation and using forms of torture such as "water boarding", intelligence sources have claimed.

Robert Grenier, head of the CIA counter-terrorism centre, was relieved of his post after a year in the job. One intelligence official said he was "not quite as aggressive as he might have been" in pursuing Al-Qaeda leaders and networks.

Since the appointment of Goss, the CIA has lost almost all its high-level directors amid considerable turmoil.

AB "Buzzy" Krongard, a former executive director of the CIA who resigned shortly after Goss's arrival, said the leaks were unlikely to stop soon, despite proposals to subject officers to more lie detector tests.

Krongard said it was up to President George Bush to stop the rot. "The agency has only one client: the president of the United States," he said. "The reorganisation is the way this president wanted it. If he is unwilling to reform it, the agency will go on as it is."

"History will judge how good an idea it was to destroy the teams and the programmes that were in place."



We all know that in 2004 Bush ordered a 'purge' of those in the CIA who didn't agree with his politics; the leaks that one sees about the various nefarious activities Bush has been up to are the CIA's way of fighting back against his attempt to politicize their job.

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DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2006 01:55 pm
What a not-so graceful way to shoot the messenger.
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2006 02:11 pm
This is a not-so-graceful administration.
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revel
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2006 02:36 pm
Look out for the "disgruntled ex employee" remarks.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2006 07:04 pm
revel wrote:
Look out for the "disgruntled ex employee" remarks.


hah! yeah... when the entire campaign for the guy's personal destruction is all typed up, then the media will be given permission to "break" the story.

and the hits just keep on comin'.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 18 Feb, 2006 01:16 am
Re: CIA chief sacked for opposing torture
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Will this show up in the US media?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-524-2036182-524,00.html

Quote:
CIA chief sacked for opposing torture

Sarah Baxter and Michael Smith, Washington

The CIA's top counter-terrorism official was fired last week because he opposed detaining Al-Qaeda suspects in secret prisons abroad, sending them to other countries for interrogation and using forms of torture such as "water boarding", intelligence sources have claimed.

Robert Grenier, head of the CIA counter-terrorism centre, was relieved of his post after a year in the job. One intelligence official said he was "not quite as aggressive as he might have been" in pursuing Al-Qaeda leaders and networks.

Since the appointment of Goss, the CIA has lost almost all its high-level directors amid considerable turmoil.

AB "Buzzy" Krongard, a former executive director of the CIA who resigned shortly after Goss's arrival, said the leaks were unlikely to stop soon, despite proposals to subject officers to more lie detector tests.

Krongard said it was up to President George Bush to stop the rot. "The agency has only one client: the president of the United States," he said. "The reorganisation is the way this president wanted it. If he is unwilling to reform it, the agency will go on as it is."

"History will judge how good an idea it was to destroy the teams and the programmes that were in place."



We all know that in 2004 Bush ordered a 'purge' of those in the CIA who didn't agree with his politics; the leaks that one sees about the various nefarious activities Bush has been up to are the CIA's way of fighting back against his attempt to politicize their job.

Cycloptichorn


Like it or not, the President was elected by a majority of the citizens of this country.

Therefore he gets to set policy.

If someone, like Grenier, doesn't agree with this policy, the honorable course to follow is resignation.

The same dynamic applies to Democratic/Liberal Administrations as it does to those described as Republican/Conservative.

I would bet large sums of money that Grenier is a Major League Dick. Of course his protestations resonate with partisans on the Left. Some of them would be happy to entertain the Devil if he had bad things to say about Bush.

The deal is that you serve at the pleasure of the President. The American people elected George W. Bush. They did not vote on whether or not Grenier had a job.

If a Grenier thinks that an Administration under which he serves is following a road to ruin, then he has a duty to let it be known. However, he does not warrant some sort of immunity from the consequence of his disloyalty. Virtue's rewards are seldom so prosaic as continued employment.

Grenier's credentials are impressive, but hardly overwhelming. For every Grenier there are three equally qualified experts who will contend that "waterboarding"is not excessive and is highly productive.

Both sides of these debates would do well to stop shopping around for people who will advance a notion they find ideologically acceptable.

Side note: Grenier had the job for one year. Any f*ck-up in any line of work can last a year. The mistake was in elevating him to the position he held, not depriving him of it. It's rare in business, and far more so in government, that a failure is identified and dealt with within 12 months of hire.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 18 Feb, 2006 06:21 pm
Re: CIA chief sacked for opposing torture
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
Like it or not, the President was elected by a majority of the citizens of this country.

Therefore he gets to SNIP .



Insipidness run amok.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 18 Feb, 2006 06:24 pm
We are beyond ungraceful, past clutziness.
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Sat 18 Feb, 2006 07:26 pm
Re: CIA chief sacked for opposing torture
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:


Like it or not, the President was elected by a majority of the citizens of this country.

Therefore he gets to set policy.

If someone, like Grenier, doesn't agree with this policy, the honorable course to follow is resignation.




Absolutely. But when that policy steps over the line into illegality, it is also the responsiblity of the official to say so.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sat 18 Feb, 2006 07:38 pm
Re: CIA chief sacked for opposing torture
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
I would bet large sums of money that Grenier is a Major League Dick.

what makes you say this, finn ?

The deal is that you serve at the pleasure of the President.


true. and the president serves at the pleasure of the people. at an approval rating of 39%, it doesn't look like the people are all that pleased.

and since, as you mentioned, bush was elected by the majority (albeit, a slim one of 3%. 51% over 48% ), he has actually lost a substantial number of his supporters.

surely you can see that there's more going on than just "liberals & dems" talking trash.

maybe it's simply that he hasn't been a very good president for liberals or conservatives.
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