Is there a term for my beliefs?

xingu wrote:

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Show me anyone with a moral code of any kind that they flawlessly follow all of the time, unless your moral code is 'whatever I want to do is right'.

Your argument that 'the 10 commandments was not x's moral code because he didn't always keep it' is simply evidence of the Bible's assertion that 'all men have sinned'.

Which goes to show moral codes are worthless. No one will pay attention to them. Even believers can find excuses to violate them when it's to their advantage.

So what good are the Ten Commandments? Not much good for anything except for show and displaying one's hypocrisy.

Yeah, laws are useless too. Someone always breaks 'em.

Why does Congress bother? Rolling Eyes

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There's a difference between laws and moral codes.

Take the commandments Thou shall not murder or Thou shall not covet.

We have a conservative Christian in the White House who, based on lies and deceit, invaded Iraq to "covet" its oil. In the process over 50,000 people have been killed and the killing is just as bad if not worse now then a year ago.

One would expect this type of covetness and warmongering from a non-Christian who would ignore the Ten Commandments. But we find that Christians are no better than people of other beliefs. They can kill and steal just as well as any Muslim, Hindu or atheist.

So what good are moral codes? Laws are enforced and those who break them are punished, for the most part. But moral codes? Who's going to punish those who break moral codes? Not God, that is those who think God tells them to do this killing don't think God will punish them. As long as they believe they're doing Gods work no moral code is sacred.

Here's an example I always liked. As you know Joseph Smith is the founder of the Mormon religion. He was a horny little sucker who couldn't keep his pecker in his pants. He was also married. It was immoral to have sex outside of marriage. How did he get around this dilemma. He proclaimed that God told him men were allowed to have more than one wife. Of course Joseph's wife didn't go for this but he didn't care.

There's always a way and the best way is simply to say; God told me.

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Yes, there is a big difference between a moral code and a law.

Western societies have long been largely oriented toward the 10 commandments as foundational to their moral code.

You don't want to admit this, but how else do you explain the fact that millions of people have for centuries confessed their belief in the God of the Bible in these Western civilizations? Because they'd go to jail if they don't? No, because they are mindful of the first commandment.

And you could go on thru the list with the second commandment, the third, the fourth and so on.

The 10 commandments are foundational to the moral code of Western societies, whether you like to admit it or not.

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Whereas in countries like China - killing, stealing, adultery are taught in school and often enjoyed as weekend recreation.

If only those commandments had been common sense, we could expect to see similar codes of behavior everywhere....ooops...wait-a-minute......

real life, as for your "millions of people" rubbish, come on, you know better than that.

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You're right, Eorl. I should have said 'hundreds of millions'.

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If we're going to play numbers, are you bothered by 66% of the current world population thinking the Christians are wrong? (Now we're talking billions)

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No I am not. Those folks can stay in all of the backward countries that their philosophy has produced. They will be happy that they are not part of Western society and so will I.

As for those who live in Western societies who are part of the Christian hating crowd, they owe their prosperity to their Christian forebearers whom they despise. May they lose it and thus owe them thanks no longer.

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Heh, you lost the numbers game big time!

Those Christian forebears spending much time thanking their Jewish forebears?

Now, these "backwards countries", how do you define them? Wanna start with gun deaths per head ?....No....how about diet indicators....hmmm what else....literacy?...bzzzt.

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Eorl wrote:

Heh, you lost the numbers game big time!

Those Christian forebears spending much time thanking their Jewish forebears?

Now, these "backwards countries", how do you define them? Wanna start with gun deaths per head ?....No....how about diet indicators....hmmm what else....literacy?...bzzzt.

It doesn't bother me in the least if I don't win a popularity contest. History often shows the herd is headed in the wrong direction.

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Matter of fact, Christians are among the strongest supporters of Israel today.

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Backwards countries I would define first of all in terms of lack of religious freedom, lack of political freedom, lack of overall prosperity and/or economic opportunity for upward mobility based on hard work and ingenuity......for starters.

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real life wrote:

how else do you explain the fact that millions of people have for centuries confessed their belief in the God of the Bible

Eorl wrote:
Heh, you lost the numbers game big time!

It doesn't bother me in the least if I don't win a popularity contest. History often shows the herd is headed in the wrong direction.

Yes, that was the point I was trying to make. Thanks RL.

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Eorl wrote:

real life wrote:

how else do you explain the fact that millions of people have for centuries confessed their belief in the God of the Bible

Eorl wrote:
Heh, you lost the numbers game big time!

It doesn't bother me in the least if I don't win a popularity contest. History often shows the herd is headed in the wrong direction.

Yes, that was the point I was trying to make. Thanks RL.

Always glad to be of service, Eorl. It's gratifying to see you straddle both sides of the argument so that you can feel vindicated. My day is made if yours is.

BTW, another measure of backwards countries would be countries that large numbers of people are attempting to leave.

Check out the countries that they are trying to get to. What's different from the homeland that they are fleeing?

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You don't want to admit this, but how else do you explain the fact that millions of people have for centuries confessed their belief in the God of the Bible in these Western civilizations? Because they'd go to jail if they don't?

Ah, yes that is the reason. I suggest you read a history of early Christianity. They persecuted and killed those who not accept their faith. They destroyed those religions that competed against them. They called them heretical.

Both Catholics and Prostestants engaged in this activity. They were killing each other as well; right up into the 20th century.

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xingu wrote:

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You don't want to admit this, but how else do you explain the fact that millions of people have for centuries confessed their belief in the God of the Bible in these Western civilizations? Because they'd go to jail if they don't?

Ah, yes that is the reason. I suggest you read a history of early Christianity. They persecuted and killed those who not accept their faith. They destroyed those religions that competed against them. They called them heretical.

Both Catholics and Prostestants engaged in this activity. They were killing each other as well; right up into the 20th century.

Let's see. Can you give a few examples from 'early Christianity' (say, the first 300 years. That should cover the 'early' period well enough) ?

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real life wrote:

xingu wrote:
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You don't want to admit this, but how else do you explain the fact that millions of people have for centuries confessed their belief in the God of the Bible in these Western civilizations? Because they'd go to jail if they don't?

Ah, yes that is the reason. I suggest you read a history of early Christianity. They persecuted and killed those who not accept their faith. They destroyed those religions that competed against them. They called them heretical.

Both Catholics and Prostestants engaged in this activity. They were killing each other as well; right up into the 20th century.

Let's see. Can you give a few examples from 'early Christianity' (say, the first 300 years. That should cover the 'early' period well enough) ?

Read "Lost Christianities, The Battles for Scripture and the Faiths we Never Knew" by Dr. B.D. Ehrman.

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I have. I like Ehrman.

Here's something I found that illustrates the Catholic intolerance for all other sects of Christianity.

This has to do with Pope Hilarus (461-8).

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In Rome Hilarus worked zealously to counter the new emperor's edict of toleation for schismatic sects (467), inspired, according to a letter of Pope Gelasius I by a favourite of Emperor Anthemius named Philotheus, who espoused the Macedonian heresy. On one of the emperor's visits to St Peter's, the pope openly called him to account for his favourite's conduct, exhorting him by the grave of St Peter to promise that he would allow no schismatical assemblies in Rome.

http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Pope+Hilarius&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&linktext=Pope%20Hilarius

If they were so intent on persecuting Christian sects think of what they did to the pagans.
http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/pagan.html

And the Jews.
http://www.ushmm.org/research/center/church/persecution/

Mind you this was all done by religious leaders who believed in the Ten Commandments.

I can understand why they ignored the Ten Commandments. After all God of the Bible never paid any attention to them.

The Ten Commandments are only for show.

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neologist wrote:

echi wrote:
neologist wrote:
Pardon me for asking. I hate to be rude.

...yeah, right.
OK, I don't mind being rude to make a point. But I bear no ill will.

And I would never deliberately expose you to my rough drafts.

uh hu sure and did it accure to you that i absolutly hate spelling and just because you want to nuke everything dosn't mean that normal people wont understand what i'm saying and appreciate my points. next time, don't be a butt, jerk

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Sleeper, you may wish to watch the name calling. TOS violations are taken seriously by some here at A2K.

And just because you hate spelling is no reason to ignore trying to spell properly and make it easier on the rest of us to read your posts. Just a thought.

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Pretty hard to take some folk seriously period, with or without name-calling or other incivility.

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the sleeper wrote:

uh hu sure and did it accure to you that i absolutly hate spelling and just because you want to nuke everything dosn't mean that normal people wont understand what i'm saying and appreciate my points. next time, don't be a butt, jerk

I'm sorry to have been a butt, jerk. :wink:

Just who are these normal people you are referring to?

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Whether casting bait or rising to it, one so engaged is trolling ... think about it. The "Report" button generally is a better option than an in-kind retort.

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