Is there a term for my beliefs?

Real
You obviously did not read the sources I provided. There are many quotes.

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Useful quotations would be those by Founding Fathers that deny their belief in prayer, for instance, since that would be God intervening in the affairs of men. A Deist would probably NOT believe in a God who answers prayer.

On the contrary a Deist may well believe in an intervening God. They don't believe in Christ being a God. I believe that's what Christianity is all about, is it not?

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xingu wrote:

Real
You obviously did not read the sources I provided. There are many quotes.

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Useful quotations would be those by Founding Fathers that deny their belief in prayer, for instance, since that would be God intervening in the affairs of men. A Deist would probably NOT believe in a God who answers prayer.

On the contrary a Deist may well believe in an intervening God. They don't believe in Christ being a God. I believe that's what Christianity is all about, is it not?

I am referring to the word 'Deism' as it is commonly defined and understood

From MerriamWebster.com

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deism
One entry found for deism.
Main Entry: de·ism
Pronunciation: 'dE-"i-z&m, 'dA-
Function: noun
Usage: often capitalized
: a movement or system of thought advocating natural religion, emphasizing morality, and in the 18th century denying the interference of the Creator with the laws of the universe

From Answers.com

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de·ism (dē'ĭz'əm, dā'-) pronunciation
n.

The belief, based solely on reason, in a God who created the universe and then abandoned it, assuming no control over life, exerting no influence on natural phenomena, and giving no supernatural revelation.

[French déisme, from Latin deus, god.]

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deism

de·ism

noun
Definitions:

rational belief in God: a belief in God based on reason rather than revelation and involving the view that God has set the universe in motion but does not interfere with how it runs. Deism was especially influential in the 17th and 18th centuries.

[Late 17th century. < Latin deus "god"]

If you choose to have your own distinct definition of Deism, then I guess few people will understand what you say. Or maybe what you believe isn't really Deism , but a kind of Theism, but you wish to avoid the label.

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xingu wrote:

Real
You obviously did not read the sources I provided. There are many quotes.

Many of the quotes are irrelevant to deism.

Rather than just throwing a link at us, why don't you pick out a few that you think are the strongest indicators that the individual quoted was actually a deist, and we'll discuss it in context with other things they have said regarding their belief (or not) in prayer, in Christ and in the Bible?

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Sorry. My bad. The third definition above was from MSN Encarta.

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Bella Dea wrote:

This is a bunch of hooey if you ask me. Anything called Belief-O-Matic should not be taken seriously.

Perhaps Belief-O-Magic suits your spiritual sensitivities?

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If you think 20 questions can give you an accurate view of what you believe in regard to religion, then you may not know what you believe and are looking for someone to tell you.

Literally hundreds of specific questions would have to be incorporated into any tool which seeks to categorize something as complex as religious belief.

And given the general tendency of humans to inaccurately self-assess, even hundreds of questions would only yield a guess.

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real life wrote:

If you think 20 questions can give you an accurate view of what you believe in regard to religion.

If you accept that only 10 commandments can supply Christians with a whole moral code, then twice as many questions should be able to show some results in assessing a spiritual bias :wink:

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Societies that have been built on the Ten Commandments have produced the greatest amount of freedom and prosperity that the world has ever experienced.

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What societies would those be? Surely not the United States since four of the commandments are in violation of the Constitution, three are not incorporated into any U.S. law, and the three remaining that are incorporated into U.S. law are no more than common sense for any civilized society.

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mesquite wrote:

What societies would those be?

That's the good question!

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These are the first four commandments.

1. You shall not worship any other god but YHWH.
2. You shall not make a graven image.
3. You shall not take the name of YHWH in vain.
4. You shall not break the Sabbath.

As you can see secular America was not founded on these commandments. There is freedom of religion and a separation of church and state in this country. The first four commandments do not allow for freedom of religion or separation of church and state. If our country was founded on the Ten Commandments then we must have laws that will punish those who practice religions that have Gods other then YHWH, such as the pagans. We mush also punish those who break the Sabbath. We would allow only those religions that believe in the Jewish God to practice their religion in this country. Hindu's would be persecuted. Buddhist would be imprisoned.

God of the Bible is intolerant and kills those who do not believe in him and do as he says. Perhaps we should all follow God's example in the Bible and kill all those who refuse to accept the one true God. That way God will be happy and we will never have to suffer any more Katrina's.

A word on the commandments. It seems there is a conflict as to what the Ten Commandments are. There's a Jewish, Catholic and Protestant version.

http://biblia.com/jesusbible/deut3.htm

So there may be some who will not agree with the four I listed.

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How come when I say "society" , all you hear is "government"?

The two are not the same thing.

The peoples of the West, primarily those of Europe and the Americas have, for many centuries, largely held to the 10 commandments as a mainstay in their moral code.

Their societies were, and are, reflective of that.

Their governments (national, regional, local) are only one portion of their society; they do not comprise the whole.

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real life wrote:

The peoples of the West, primarily those of Europe and the Americas have, for many centuries, largely held to the 10 commandments as a mainstay in their moral code.

Prove it!

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The peoples of the West, primarily those of Europe and the Americas have, for many centuries, largely held to the 10 commandments as a mainstay in their moral code.

Baloney

They liked to preach it but they never practiced it. The Renaissance period saw the demise of Christianity because the Catholic and Protestant religions themselves could not abide by what they preached. Some of the Popes were corrupt, if not outright murderers. The Protestants and Catholics killed people based on their religious beliefs. They both coveted wealth. And their followers, society, if you like, went along with them. They periodically persecuted the Jews, murdering them, stealing their property and raping their women. They made wars with one another. They massacred one another. They stole from one another.

But they were all good Christians who abided by the Ten Commandments.

What good is a moral code if the only time you use it is when it's to your advantage?

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Xingu,

Show me anyone with a moral code of any kind that they flawlessly follow all of the time, unless your moral code is 'whatever I want to do is right'.

Your argument that 'the 10 commandments was not x's moral code because he didn't always keep it' is simply evidence of the Bible's assertion that 'all men have sinned'.

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Belief-Matic-Results:

1. Radical Packerfanism (1,000%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
3. Secular Humanism (99%)
4. Liberal Quakers (85%)
5. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (85%)
6. Nontheist (81%)
7. Theravada Buddhism (68%)
8. Bahá'í Faith (64%)
9. Neo-Pagan (58%)
10. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (56%)
11. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (53%)
12. Orthodox Quaker (48%)
13. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (47%)
14. Taoism (47%)
15. New Age (46%)
16. Reform Judaism (46%)
17. New Thought (40%)
18. Sikhism (37%)
19. Mahayana Buddhism (37%)
20. Jehovah's Witness (36%)
21. Scientology (34%)
22. Jainism (32%)
23. Islam (30%)
24. Orthodox Judaism (30%)
25. Seventh Day Adventist (22%)
26. Eastern Orthodox (19%)
27. Roman Catholic (19%)

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As you know, with you on #1 there, brother Bill.

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But of course, sister Soz. :wink:

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real life wrote:

Show me anyone with a moral code of any kind that they flawlessly follow all of the time, unless your moral code is 'whatever I want to do is right'.

Your argument that 'the 10 commandments was not x's moral code because he didn't always keep it' is simply evidence of the Bible's assertion that 'all men have sinned'.

More like you are now back peddling on your morality claims

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The peoples of the West, primarily those of Europe and the Americas have, for many centuries, largely held to the 10 commandments as a mainstay in their moral code.

and using sin as an excuse. Naughty Real Life.

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Show me anyone with a moral code of any kind that they flawlessly follow all of the time, unless your moral code is 'whatever I want to do is right'.

Your argument that 'the 10 commandments was not x's moral code because he didn't always keep it' is simply evidence of the Bible's assertion that 'all men have sinned'.

Which goes to show moral codes are worthless. No one will pay attention to them. Even believers can find excuses to violate them when it's to their advantage.

So what good are the Ten Commandments? Not much good for anything except for show and displaying one's hypocrisy.

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