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The Trial of Tom DeLay

 
 
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 08:35 am
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 08:43 am
BBB
When will politicians every learn that when you are trying to defeat an incumbent, you want one alternative, not three to split the opposition vote? It's hard to agree on only one candidate, but it must be done to have any chance of unseating the incumbent.

BBB
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 08:59 am
I agree, BBB. The truth isn't enough. You've got to have a honed in opposition to be effective.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 09:16 am
Edgar
edgarblythe wrote:
I agree, BBB. The truth isn't enough. You've got to have a honed in opposition to be effective.


Knowing DeLay's tactics, I wouldn't be surprised to learn someday that DeLay paid off one or two of the opposition candidates to run against him to split the opposition vote.

BBB
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 10:14 am
His TV ads attack one of his Republican primary opponents as espousing liberal ideas, a typical charge when ultra right wingers run against anybody at all.

In another ad, he is running against a wall of liberal faces, such as Ted Kennedy- -about a dozen in all.

No issues enter into it that I have seen, from any quarter.
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parados
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 10:28 am
When does the actual trial begin?

Rhetorical question but feel free to answer.. Just a BM.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 10:42 am
I wish I knew.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 10:05 pm
http://www.tomdelay.com/
Here is DeLay's personal web page.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 08:29 am
Whoa! My monitor almost imploaded just from the suckage of the url.....
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 7 Mar, 2006 10:33 pm
DeLay won the primary handily. To me it shows that Republicans may talk principles and truth, but they support sleaze and criminality (so long as it's done by one of their own and not a Democrat).
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 8 Mar, 2006 12:18 pm
edgarblythe wrote:
DeLay won the primary handily. To me it shows that Republicans may talk principles and truth, but they support sleaze and criminality (so long as it's done by one of their own and not a Democrat).


hi edgar.. i don't know if it's just a republican thing or not. delay is such a heavy in the midland/sugarland yeehaw mafia that i didn't really think he'd get tossed aside. probably knows where every body has been buried for close to 30 years. same with rove.

but yeah, on this and other issues like the patriot act and the wiretaps, the republicans are still just laying down for the party.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Wed 8 Mar, 2006 12:30 pm
DeLay's victory is good news for the Dems nationally. He's a great face of the Republicans, worthy of attack for umpteen reasons...
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slkshock7
 
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Reply Wed 8 Mar, 2006 05:57 pm
D'artagnan wrote:
DeLay's victory is good news for the Dems nationally. He's a great face of the Republicans, worthy of attack for umpteen reasons...


And here's where Dems will go wrong once again...expending lots of money and verbal rhetoric attacking a strong Republican in an ultimately unsuccessful attempt to draw a few meager votes out of a perpetual GOP stronghold.

Delay will still win and the diversion will be a boon for weaker Republican candidates.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 8 Mar, 2006 05:57 pm
We have a guy just as screwed up as Bush running for state senate. Dan Patrick. Hope he doesn't become president in ten years.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Thu 9 Mar, 2006 09:46 am
slkshock
slkshock7 wrote:
D'artagnan wrote:
DeLay's victory is good news for the Dems nationally. He's a great face of the Republicans, worthy of attack for umpteen reasons...

And here's where Dems will go wrong once again...expending lots of money and verbal rhetoric attacking a strong Republican in an ultimately unsuccessful attempt to draw a few meager votes out of a perpetual GOP stronghold.
Delay will still win and the diversion will be a boon for weaker Republican candidates.


The Republicans have used their power to complete their redistricting plans to protect republican incumbents. It's the redistricting that will change difficult to achieve. It will take intervention of the courts to undo the unconstitutional redistricting actions under the equal protection clause.

BBB
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 05:43 am
March 19, 2006, 10:38PM
Investigation has DeLay stuck in legal limbo
Probe into Abramoff's ties may last through November vote


By MICHAEL HEDGES
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON - Rep. Tom DeLay, who emerged victorious from the Republican primary and hoped to dispose quickly of ethics controversies, remains in a legal limbo that could keep him under a cloud through the November election, according to lawyers involved in the Washington and Texas ethics cases.

The investigation into lobbyist Jack Abramoff's bilking of Indian gaming clients has not directly implicated DeLay. But it has led federal authorities to examine the actions of lawmakers and staffers with whom Abramoff worked, and DeLay is likely to be linked to the probe for the foreseeable future because of his previous close association with Abramoff.

Former DeLay spokesman Michael Scanlon, who was an Abramoff business partner, has pleaded guilty to fraud charges in the case, and a former DeLay deputy chief of staff, Tony Rudy, remains under intense scrutiny by prosecutors. Either one's cooperation with federal investigators could lead investigators to more information about DeLay, a Republican from Sugar Land.

Justice Department officials have declined to comment on DeLay's status in the wide-ranging probe into whether Abramoff or his associates got favors in return for contributing money to lawmakers' campaigns and arranging foreign trips for the lawmakers.

"The Justice Department has not approached us for any information or cooperation," said Richard Cullen, DeLay's attorney in the Abramoff corruption investigation. He said there is no reason to think DeLay is in legal jeopardy.

"Not even Tom DeLay's most fierce political enemies have alleged he has done anything criminal (in connection to the Washington investigation)," Cullen said. "It makes me wonder why the Chronicle feels compelled to write a story like this when there is no allegation he has done anything a prosecutor would be interested in."

The House Democratic leader, Nancy Pelosi of California, did essentially make such an allegation in January, saying in a letter to House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., that Democrats expect the House ethics committee to look into the "alleged violations of criminal laws and the rules of the House" by DeLay and three other Republican lawmakers with ties to Abramoff. DeLay took trips to Russia and Britain that were indirectly funded by Abramoff and have drawn the attention of investigators to see if they involved funding that might have been improper.

Abramoff recently told Vanity Fair magazine that he didn't extensively lobby DeLay, partly because they already were in tune as conservatives.

Cullen has said the article supports the contention that there was no trade-off of legislative favors involved in their trips or their other dealings.


'A ticking time bomb'
But DeLay can't rest easy until it becomes clear what Abramoff has told prosecutors about their relationship during extensive debriefing sessions before and since his guilty plea in January.

"People expect further indictments before November, which may very well be at a lower level," said Larry Noble, executive director of the Center for Responsive Politics, a Washington group that monitors money in elections. "Then prosecutors will see how high they can take it. This is a ticking time bomb and no one knows when it will go off or how far it will detonate."

Lawyers involved in the case, speaking on the condition that they not be identified, confirmed the assertion that the investigation could easily still be in progress in early November, when the general election for DeLay's 22nd Congressional District seat takes place.

DeLay will face Democratic challenger and former Congressman Nick Lampson and a yet-to-be-named Libertarian candidate. Steve Stockman, a former Republican congressman, is seeking a place on the ballot as an independent.

Rudy, the former DeLay aide, adds another dimension to the investigation of DeLay in Washington.

Documents released by federal prosecutors made it clear that Rudy has been in significant legal jeopardy. He is believed to be cooperating with federal officials, and sources close to the case said he is expected to reach a plea deal with the Justice Department. But details of those negotiations have not surfaced.

The details could be of critical importance to DeLay.

The prosecutors' documents depicted an unnamed congressional aide, separately identified as Rudy, improperly influencing congressional action on behalf of Abramoff's Indian gaming clients. But there was no indication that DeLay was aware of Rudy's activities.


Rudy's statements are key
What Rudy has said or will say to prosecutors about DeLay could prove pivotal in whether the lawmaker is cleared or gets pulled more directly into the federal investigation, said lawyers close to the case.

In court documents released in January, Rudy was described as "Staffer A," who helped Abramoff stop legislation that would have hurt his clients. One bill opposed by Indian gaming interests would have banned Internet gambling; another, opposed by magazine publishers, would have raised postal rates.

In return, Abramoff funneled $50,000 to the political consulting firm of Rudy's wife, Lisa, prosecutors said in court documents. The money was "obtained from (Abramoff's) clients who would and did benefit from Staffer A's official actions," the prosecutors said. Rudy then left Congress to work directly for Abramoff.

Cullen said DeLay had no knowledge of any work by Rudy on behalf of Abramoff's clients.

DeLay also must contend with criminal charges in Texas.

Next week, an appellate court in Travis County will hear District Attorney Ronnie Earle's argument to reinstate conspiracy charges against DeLay. The issue must be resolved before the lawmaker can be tried on pending charges of money laundering brought by Earle after an investigation of DeLay's Texas fundraising.

There are several legal moves remaining for both sides before DeLay's Texas lawyer, Dick DeGuerin, can achieve his goal of getting the charges into court.

A key tactic by DeLay's legal team is an effort to have the case moved from Travis County, a Democratic stronghold, to a venue more politically sympathetic to DeLay, like his home base of Fort Bend County. That request would be considered by a judge just before a trial commenced.

Given the pretrial snarls and likely appeals, a trial date in late July or early August appears most likely, DeGuerin said.

"Generally speaking, Mr. DeLay has put all his confidence in the legal system that these charges will be resolved in a timely fashion," DeGuerin said.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 01:18 pm
slkshock7 wrote:
D'artagnan wrote:
DeLay's victory is good news for the Dems nationally. He's a great face of the Republicans, worthy of attack for umpteen reasons...


And here's where Dems will go wrong once again...expending lots of money and verbal rhetoric attacking a strong Republican in an ultimately unsuccessful attempt to draw a few meager votes out of a perpetual GOP stronghold.

Delay will still win and the diversion will be a boon for weaker Republican candidates.


You're right ... Republicans love nothiing better than a crook!

Anon
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 01:21 pm
Re: slkshock
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
slkshock7 wrote:
D'artagnan wrote:
DeLay's victory is good news for the Dems nationally. He's a great face of the Republicans, worthy of attack for umpteen reasons...

And here's where Dems will go wrong once again...expending lots of money and verbal rhetoric attacking a strong Republican in an ultimately unsuccessful attempt to draw a few meager votes out of a perpetual GOP stronghold.
Delay will still win and the diversion will be a boon for weaker Republican candidates.


The Republicans have used their power to complete their redistricting plans to protect republican incumbents. It's the redistricting that will change difficult to achieve. It will take intervention of the courts to undo the unconstitutional redistricting actions under the equal protection clause.

BBB


That's been done at rhe Supreme Court this year I think ... if I remember right ... it was fine with them.

Anon
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 05:43 pm
The court heard arguments on the Texas redistricting. The ruling hasn't been made yet. June is the projected date for the ruling in the Boston Globe story on it.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 06:35 pm
parados wrote:
The court heard arguments on the Texas redistricting. The ruling hasn't been made yet. June is the projected date for the ruling in the Boston Globe story on it.


Ooopps, Thanks P.

Anon
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