Passage ...... Where do you go after you die

Time is the only thing that stands still so everything else can move...Space is the only thing that doesn't exsist, so matter has room to exsist in. So space and time is the nothing, that is neccessary for everything to exist.

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Booman, I'm not sure I understand your point, but it does seem to me that--and I THINK this is consistent with your statement--in an empty universe of nothing, space and time would not exist. Space is only the distance between objects (which are really processes) and time is merely the duration required to transport from one to the other. I would'nt bet my house on this, however, since the concepts of objects, space, time, duration, nothingness or emptiness and universe, etc. are empirically problematical insofar as they are invented constructs.

Time is created for us by the revolution of this planet around a sun. There are billions of suns. If billions of times exist within our universe (we can observe the milky way), is ours truly time as we know it? Does time really exist? c.i.

What, what, what? I am being evoked, even if only as an interlocutor?

Back here, after too long. But I do not see much major action. A bit like a soap opera. You come back after six months away, only to find that no one has yet determined the father of the child who was born a week before you turned the TV off and left the country on an important mission.

Yes I knew that Atoms was the wrong word. It's is just something as abstract as what I was thinking doesn't really have a name yet, and instead of going into a nice long winded draining report in which I must explain another idiotic figment that begins in itself of Sarcasm, I simply chose to simplify it a relate it to something as a so called tangible. Thanks for calling me on it!

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NNY, I don't see how this statement fits into the stream of discussion. Is it your version of a canolli?

AGAIN WITH THE CANOLIS! It most likely didn't, though it might have once. I many times am too bored to read a whole reply list so I read the basic question and hope that it hasnt drifted too much. The last post I was just being mean to assert my manhood, or something dickheaded like that. Too offensive? I can always edit it.


I hate it when people that are not insane say they are. Man I hate that!

truth
And, like the rest of us, you are declaring that you are not insane?

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Booman, define time ... example: When you run out of time, how do you know ... what is missing?

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Gel. Good question. And if time WERE money, it would be a real panic if it were in fact missing.

Sanity is defined as to have good sense, how do you expect to have good sense when your mind is rambling senselessly at all the filth that is going unheeded? Sanity is comparative to the average society dwelling being. If the vast majority is ignorant, then sanity is as well! From this you can easily decipher that if ignorance is sanity, truth is insanity!

JL, I think it more than passing strange that the 'featherless biped' spends so much energy measuring what they suspect to be, something of great significance to the beginning and end of their lives.
No matter how it is measured, the measuring is always only pertinent to an observable span or duration relative to our personal reality.

Is the existance of time dependent on our awareness of it?

Again I ask, what are the qualties of time?

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Gel, I think there are two senses of the concept of time. One is that which is used by physicists ("T") and that of our experienced lives. The latter is the only one of interest to me, the time that "drags" when I'm bored, or "flies" when I'm having fun. Sometimes I count out in my imagination the number of years I can expect to live--if all goes well--but I tend to do it with reference to events and actions, like how many trips I can take (like Cicerone Imposter) and how many paintings I can do.

Gelistgesti wrote:



I don't think time is such that it has qualities. Time is essentially change; no change, no time.

But change is an illusion if Buddhism is correct when it says the universe is vibrating at a very high velocity and each vibration is like a frame of a film strip stagnant and stationary, and change/movement is only an appearance that seems to happen as one frame replaces another from instant to instant.


And of course that which observes the apparent change but does not change is consciousness.

An integral part of meditation is the awareness of breathing. You become so aware that you become unaware. Time exist to become nonexistent in a state of Zen. Time, as in all other distractions of life, cast a shadow, To step out of time's shadow is to release the clay is to awaken in Nirvana and to ascend from there.

The only quality of time is time.

Doug, you did a thread -- maybe two or three -- on this subject in Abuzz. It was marvelous. I can still remember the mental gymnastics needed to get one's mind around some of the ideas.

I apologize for taking so long to get back to clarify my statement.
...Time is nothing. Statements like, "Time flies", and "time moves on," are 180 degrees incorrect. Time has to be stationary, so we can MEASURE MOVEMENT. To put it graphically; the notches and numbers on a clock stand still, so we can measure the movement of the hands, which in turn measure out movements. That's why time doesn't exist. It's an arbitrary concept agreed upon by mankind to measure the movement of matter. if time moved, it wouldn't be useful as measurement.
...Likewise, space has to be nothing, in order for matter, to have a place to exist.....It's as simple as that.

I think JLN has touched on the truth of where we go after we die. It depends on our own perception of time; some events seem long, and some events seem short. Our concept of time is different for everybody. I think the individual who lives a relatively happy life will have the perception that their life on earth was long. What matters after they die? They've enjoyed their time on this planet. c.i.

The womb or the world ..... it has to fit.

The world of clay is fixed and can hold an unsuspecting spirit.
Zen comes to us all and when it does, there is not enough clay to fill the smallest molecule of a molecule.

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C.I., I vaguely remember a poem--by Omar Khyam?--that goes in part something like: I warm BOTH hands before the fire of life. It dies [out] and I depart gladly.
I understood this to mean what you are saying. If we life a full life (if we get our share of "supplies"), which is to say we warm BOTH hands, not just one, we can pass on with gratitude.
The other side of this coin is where we commit suicide because Life is not meeting our needs or expectations (often these expectations are culturally shaped: I would feel very cheated if I had to live in the Congo like a pygmy).

Booman, thanks for some interesting observations.