IF THE QURAN IS WRONG THEN PROVE IT ALL.

just marking...

Yeah, if I were a dog I'd be lifting a leg to this thread as well.

the age consent in the US and Europe only 100 years ago for girls' marriage was as little as 10:

The following was sent to me by brother Johnny Bravo; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him:

Assalam Alaiqum Brother Osama.

I thought you might find the following information of some use pertaining to the marriage of Hazrat Ayesha (RAA) with Prophet Muhammed (PBUH). I took this info from the soc.religion.islam newsgroup and it is written by various knowledgeable Muslims informing that the age of consent in the USA was 10 hardly 100 years ago and 11 in the UK, Talmud allowing 3 year olds to get married! etc. :-

"(And there is evidence that Ayesha was substantially older. That some of our ancient scholars preferred the younger age shows, in fact, that they did not consider marriage at that age to be reprehensible, otherwise they would have preferred the evidence for a later marriage and consummation.)

At the time the marriage was arranged, Muhammad had not left Makka; he was not the leader of a powerful community; indeed, his life was in danger. I raise this point because it is asserted, sometimes, that, essentially, he could have whatever he wanted. Rather, if this marriage had been an outrage to the community, it would have been *very* harmful to his cause."

Above comments by Abdulrahman Lomax.

The age of sexual consent is still quite low in many places. In Japan, people can legally have sex at age 13, and in Spain they can legally have sex at age 12. (This data comes from the Age of Consent chart, which you can see at: http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm)

The Prophet's contemporaries (both enemies and friends) clearly accepted the Prophet's marriage to `Aisha without any problem. We see the evidence for this by the lack of criticism against the marriage until modern times. However, a change in culture caused the change in our times today.

A 40-year-old man having sex with a 14-year-old woman may be a "pedophile" in the USA today, but not in China today (where the age of consent is 14), nor in the USA last century. Biology is a much better standard by which to determine these things in my view, not the arbitrariness of human culture.


***** In the USA last century, the age of consent was 10 years old. California was the first state to change the age of consent to 14, which it did in 1889. After California, other US states joined in and raised the age of consent too. (Source: http://www.ageofconsent.com/comments/numberone.htm)

As for the reasons why we age of consent just seems to get higher and higher, Essentially, we need more education just to survive in today's society, and this takes much more time. This additional education we need to function in today's society seems to me to be the main cause of the increase in the age of consent in many 20th century societies. The Common Law age of consent was 10. The French penal code raised the age from 11 to 13 only a century ago. In England, it was only in 1929 (70 years ago) that the ancient Christian minimum age for the marriage of females, which was 12, was abandoned. The early rock and roll singer Jerry Lee Lewis was considerably older than his 13 cousin whom he married in all legality in Arkansas. Since then, the age there has been raised to 16. That marriage lasted for about 15 years and there was never any other "scandal" associated with Jerry Lee Lewis. The story is quite different, however, for his cousin Jimmy Swaggart (the well-known and disgraced tele-evangelist) who married a woman his own age but later publicly confessed that he was an adulterer and a whoremonger.

In the seventh century, 3 year old girls were burned to death or tortured in Europe for copulating with demons, witches and sorcerers. Strong sexual passions were attributed to the youngest children. Even Jean Bodin, one of the greatest legal authorities of his time, said that the appropriate age of consent for a female was 6. (I do not mean to suggest that 3 year olds did in fact have sexual relations with demons. It is however interesting to see that at that time it was publicly believed that child-adult relations were the fault of seductive children who sought out mature men rather than today's popular belief that it is instead pedophiliac adults who prey on innocent, unsuspecting children.)

In the US (an example of a prominent western country, since the west had the greatest effect on the world in the last couple of centuries.) They considered a seven year old female competent on making decisions regarding sex, though it was raised later on (in 1886, after attempts to raise the age of consent, Delaware was the only state to retain the common law age of seven, while twenty five states set the minimum age at a mere ten.) In older times, children were not perceived in the same sense that we perceive them, but the perception was changed gradually, which is due to a great extent to industrialization, and of course sigmund freud and others came along with their theories and supported these changes in social thinking (the word adolescent itself was introduced as recently as 1904.)

IT WAS THE "MENTALITY", BACK THEN M.E.N.T.A.L.I.T.Y , HE WAS ONLY HUMAN, JUST LIKE THE MENTALITY BACK THEN WAS IDOL WORSHIPPING. OOPS I GUESS IT STILL IS, SINCE CHRISTIANS EVEN TO THIS DAY IDOL WORSHIP JESUS!

Fantastic, not only is Ali repeating threads, he is also repeating posts. He doesn't even re-represent them in a clearer, more concise fashion.

I am thankful that Ali is not representative of all Muslims. It would be a dire day for Islam if he were.

Aisha was 6 years old when her parents pledged her to be married to prophet Mohammad, she never entered Mohammad's house until she became mature at the age of 9 NOT 6.(A GIRL IS CONSIDERED MATURE WHEN SHE HAS HER FIRST MENSTURATION). Back then and even now in Arabia because of the hot climate girls matured early, take for example a 9 year old Eskimo girl, and compare her to a 9 year old North African girl, or an Arabian girl, you will see a major difference. So Aisha being 9 would've looked like a 15 year old Eskimo girl. In hotter climates girls sexual body parts mature earlier than that of girls in colder climates that is why you see Middle Eastern teenage guys growing facial hair at an early age. Also girls mature earlier than guys, both mentally and physically. And back then not only in Arabia but almost all over the world girls were wed at a young age. Aisha became mature when she entered Prophet Mohammad's house as his official wife at the age of 9, AGAIN NOT 6. Also the life expectancy for men was around 40 50 years, and in pre-Islamic Arabia it was even shorter, because of the constant wars between different tribes. Many men died at wars and didn't even make it to their late 30's leaving their wives and daughters behind. (WHAT DO YOU THINK THOSE YOUNG DAUGHTHERS OF THE MEN THAT DIED AT WARS HAD TO DO IF THEY WERE POOR? THEY HAD TO GO OUT AND SELL THEMSELVES, BECAUSE THEY HAD NO OTHER SUPPORT, AS YOU KNOW WOMEN DIDNT WORK BACK THEN LIKE MEN DID. ITS EVEN HAPPENING TODAY IN COUNTRIES SUCH AS ROMANIA, FATHERS ARE SELLING THEIR YOUNG DAUGHTERS INTO PROSTITUTION BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO WAY TO FEED THEMSELVES AND THE KID!

So to say Prophet Mohammad was a pedophile is completely absurd, because all men married young girls back then almost all over the world, and it was the mentality back then, so to call him a pedophile would be to call every single man a pedophile back then! And another reason, if he was a pedophile then how come his first wife Khadijah was 15 YEARS OLDER THAN HIM? When he was 25 and she was 50! SHE WAS A WIDOW! AND HOWCOME HIS OTHER WIFE MAIMOONA WAS 50 YEARS OLD? AGAIN A WIDOW! HOW COME MOST OF HIS WIVES WERE WIDOWS AND OLDER? Certainly if he wished he could've had any beautiful young girl he wanted! When he became prophet, and the parents would've gave their girls to Mohammad anytime he wished. He became famous and powerful, so why did he choose to marry widows, and women that were in need of financial help, rather than young beautiful girls if his aim was only lust and pleasure? This is where; multiple marriages (up to 4 wives) in Islam stands to be justified. It was meant so that single mothers and their young daughters wouldn't have to prostitute themselves.

(ALSO WOMEN'S POPULATION ARE MORE THAN THAT OF MEN'S, FOR EVERY 1 MAN THERES 4 WOMEN, AND WOMEN HAVE A LONGER LIFE EXPECTANCY THAN MEN, GOD ALMIGHTY KNEW THIS 1400 YEARS AGO!)
IF PEOPLE FOLLOWED THE TRUE ISLAMIC LAWS OF THE HOLY QURAN, AND IF A MAN WHO WAS "FIANCIALLY ABLE" MARRIED UP TO FOUR WIVES TO SUPPORT THEM, THEN PROSTITUTION WOULDNT EXIST TODAY, OR TO SAY THE LEAST WOULDVE BEEN WAYYYY LESS. AND CERTAINLY MEN WOULDNT COMMIT ADULTERY BEHIND THEIR WIVES. (Men have higher sexual desires than women, that's why you see men cheating more than women) this system if worked properly according to the Quran would've been so much helpful.

(Remember the Quran never says a man has to marry more than one wife; it says that if the man thinks that he cannot treat all the wives equally then he should marry only "ONE")


prostitution of women is in its highest rate even in the greatest world power: the US OF A, so many single mothers in the US are forced into prostitution because their so called "husbands" desert them after taking advantage of them leaving behind bastardized children. It's happening way more obviously in poorer countries, its happening even more than it was before. So then why didn't Mohammad not leave any of his wives if his goal with them was only lust? at a time when all other Arab men used to get drunk and commit adultery and rape women, why did prophet Mohammad stayed committed to his wives?



BUT AGAIN MOST MUSLIM MEN TODAY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF RELIGION AND MARRY ONLY FOR PLEASURE AND ONLY FOR LUST, THESE ARE NOT TRUE MUSLIMS, THESE MEN ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF RELIGION, THEY WILL BURN IN HELLFIRE. AND THATS HOW MISSIONARY RATS USE THIS TO TRASH THIS BEAUTIFUL RELIGION, AND ALSO POLYGAMMY WASNT INVENTED IN ISLAM, MANY PROPHETS BEFORE MOHAMMAD IN BIBLICAL TIMES HAD HUNDARADS OF WIVES, IT WAS ALLOWED UP TO THE 1700S UNTIL PRIESTS FORBADE IT SEEING HOW MEN WERE TAKING ADVANTAGE. WHEN ISLAM ARRIVED IT FIXED THE CORRUPT SYSTEM

(Now some may argue and say that even the system in the Quran is corrupted, because if men can marry more than one, then why cant woman?)


MY RESPONSE: science has proven that although both men and women are the same but they're different in how they think. One example is that men tend to make important decisions by mostly using their thoughts, based on knowledge; on the other hand women tend to make important decisions mostly based on their emotional feelings. THAT IS THE MAIN REASON WHY WE DO NOT HAVE AN AMERICAN FEMALE PRESIDENT, because for such a country to succeed it would need a cold blooded murderer such as George w bush, and if a woman was president instead of him, she would've made most of her decisions based on her feelings, and she would've most likely felt sorry for the children of Iraq. But perhaps, in the new coming election, Lady Hillary Clinton might have a chance, since before her George w bush sucked enough oil out of Iraq to last them a century.

IM NOT IN ANY WAY SAYING MEN ARE BETTER THAN WOMAN, I AM JUST SAYING, THAT: "WE ARE THE SAME, YET WE ARE DIFFRERNT"


SO IMAGINE IF A WOMAN WAS ALLOWED TO MARRY UP TO FOUR MEN! THIS SYSTEM AND WAY OF LIFE WOULDVE NEVER WORKED, SIMPLY BECAUSE THE WOMAN WOULDVE MADE MOST OF HER IMPORTANT LIFE DESISIONS BASED ON HER EMOTIONS. A WOMAN'S BRAIN WORKS DIFFERENT THAN THAT OF A MAN, A TRULY COMMITED WOMAN CANNOT MADLY FALL INLOVE WIITH MORE THAN ONE MAN, WHILE GOD MADE MEN DIFFERENT SO THAT THEY CAN LOVE MORE THAN ONE WOMAN, SO THAT THEY CAN EMBRACE THEM UNDER THEIR ARMS, AND CHERISH AND LOVE AND PROTECT THEM.


That is why in the Quran it's mentioned that when a woman wants to make an important life decision her father or an older brother or an uncle should be with her to guide her.




But Look at Muslim countries now, they're making Islam look bad, by marrying different wives for only pleasure, it was never meant to be that way, it was meant to support the woman and her kids financially. Mohammad was a true follower of Islam, he never married for pleasure, besides its not like Mohammad rode on a white horse snatching her away. He married her, by her parent's permission. And it was after she went through puberty; she was mature as I explained above. The so called "pedophilia" in the Quran is way different than the pedophilia in the man corrupted bible.

if he was a pedophile then how come his first wife Khadijah was 15 YEARS OLDER THAN HIM? When he was 25 and she was 50! SHE WAS A WIDOW! AND HOWCOME HIS OTHER WIFE MAIMOONA WAS 50 YEARS OLD? AGAIN A WIDOW! HOW COME MOST OF HIS WIVES WERE WIDOWS AND OLDER? Certainly if he wished he could've had any beautiful young girl he wanted! When he became prophet, and the parents would've gave their girls to Mohammad anytime he wished. He became famous and powerful, so why did he choose to marry widows, and women that were in need of financial help, rather than young beautiful girls if his aim was only lust and pleasure?

He gets his stuff online, Wolf . . . i doubt he has ever had an original thought on the subject of religion in his life . . .

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This is what Ali THINKS he looks like when he talks his mumbo jumbo:

This is what Ali really looks like when he talks his mumbo jumbo

can you answer this to me plase?


if he was a pedophile then how come his first wife Khadijah was 15 YEARS OLDER THAN HIM? When he was 25 and she was 50! SHE WAS A WIDOW! AND HOWCOME HIS OTHER WIFE MAIMOONA WAS 50 YEARS OLD? AGAIN A WIDOW! HOW COME MOST OF HIS WIVES WERE WIDOWS AND OLDER? Certainly if he wished he could've had any beautiful young girl he wanted! When he became prophet, and the parents would've gave their girls to Mohammad anytime he wished. He became famous and powerful, so why did he choose to marry widows, and women that were in need of financial help, rather than young beautiful girls if his aim was only lust and pleasure?

I MEANT TO SAY 40

ILL REVISE MY QUESTION AND ASK YOU AGAIN:

can you answer this to me plase?


if he was a pedophile then how come his first wife Khadijah was 15 YEARS OLDER THAN HIM? When he was 25 and she was 40! SHE WAS A WIDOW! AND HOWCOME HIS OTHER WIFE MAIMOONA WAS 50 YEARS OLD? AGAIN A WIDOW! HOW COME MOST OF HIS WIVES WERE WIDOWS AND OLDER? Certainly if he wished he could've had any beautiful young girl he wanted! When he became prophet, and the parents would've gave their girls to Mohammad anytime he wished. He became famous and powerful, so why did he choose to marry widows, and women that were in need of financial help, rather than young beautiful girls if his aim was only lust and pleasure?

repeat, repeat , repeat....are you electronicaly computer generised or something??every time someone answers you, you answer them by repeating your post from before over and over again....

What's to answer Ali, he liked a little strange on the side, he had more than one wife . . . that does not excuse the matrimonial rape of a nine year old . . .

You really need to remove your head from your rectum . . .

Aisha was 6 when they were betrothed. While this doesn't necessarily denote someone with a pedophile addiction, it certainly denotes someone with a rather strong mental deficit.

Ali, What is it about the Islamic religion that makes it so easy to find seemingly endless volunteers to wear explosives vests or pilot explosive laden vehicles and then detonate them in the midst of innocent civilians, even near funeral processions, or pilgrim processions near mosques?

Lets just write a new bible based on reality exposing religion for what it really is. Well call it "Peace and justice of man for man without god"

ITS THE CRIMES OF CHRISTIANITY, THE WHITE CHRISTIAN MAN IS THE BIGGEST TERRORIST THIS WORLD HAS EVER SEEN:



http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~freethought/foote/crimes/contents.htm

Fascinating, isn't it, that particularly witless arguments so often are posted in all caps? Sure saves a lotta reading time to know right up front what may be scrolled past without sacrificing actual intellectual content. Gotta appreciate trolls who so readily identify their meaningless, juvenile rants for the bigoted, ignorant screed they are.

After a while, i have to be careful to make sure i'm reading a Muslim, a Jew or a Christian--it certainly would be embarrassing to take a bible-thumper to task for Mohammed's paedophilia . . .

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