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IF THE QURAN IS WRONG THEN PROVE IT ALL.

 
 
ali87
 
Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 02:24 am
life was originated from water:

"He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days - and His Throne was over the waters - that He might try you, which of you is best in conduct. But if thou wert to say to them, "Ye shall indeed be raised up after death", the Unbelievers would be sure to say, "This is nothing but obvious sorcery!" (The Noble Quran, 11:7)"

"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? (The Noble Quran, 21:30)"

"It is He Who has created man from water: then has He established relationships of lineage and marriage: for thy Lord has power (over all things). (The Noble Quran, 25:54)"

"And God has created every animal from water: of them there are some that creep on their bellies; some that walk on two legs; and some that walk on four. God creates what He wills for verily God has power over all things. (The Noble Quran, 24:45

Very Important Discovery:
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A new star forming out of a cloud of gas and dust (nebula), which is one of the remnants of the "smoke" that was the origin of the whole universe. (The Space Atlas, Heather and Henbest, page 50)
Allah Almighty said: "Then He turned to the heaven when it was smoke...(The Noble Quran, 41:11)"
The Noble Quran on the Origin of the Universe
Only Islam claims that the universe was originated from Dust and Hot Gas, or Smoke.


Another Very Important Discovery:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/Immortaltech/dude/warda.jpg



Allah Almighty Said: "And when the heaven splitteth asunder and becometh ROSY LIKE RED HIDE - (The Noble Quran, 55:37)"
What Allah Almighty is Saying here is that when Galaxies explode, they form a red-rose-shaped explosion. He is also telling us that the Universe will all turn into red exploded galaxies looking like red or reddish roses when the Day of Judgement happens.
In the Arabic Noble Verse, "wardatan" was translated as "ROSY" above. The root word "WARDA" in Arabic LITERALLY means "ROSE" or "FLOWER". The "tan" at the end of "wardatan" is not part of the word. It is only an Arabic PUNCTUATION that only changes the sound of the word for grammatical rules. It is pronounced as "ten", with the "a" being short. The reason why the above word was not written as "wardaten" is because in many parts of the world, the English word "ten" (number 10) is pronounced as "tin". Only the American-English pronounce the "e" as a short "a". Most of the world uses the British-English system and they pronounce the "e" as "i", and the "o" as it is, such as "stop" pronounced as "stope". The American-English pronounces the "o" as a thick "a". Also, if we were to add two Arabic characters, "alif" and "noon" at the end of "warda", it would change the pronunciation to "taan" (wardataan), and it then becomes two "wardas"; plural.
**** Explosion of Galaxies can not be seen with the naked eye. It also can not be seen with regular telescopes. You need the special Government-owned and NASA-owned "Hubble Space" Super Telescope. The point from all of this is that Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him could not have come up with any of this on his own 1500 years ago!



Life and our physical bodies originated from CLAY (soil, dust and water) - The Noble Quran Claimed it and Science confirmed it!
The sections of this article are:
1- Allah Almighty's Divine Claims in the Noble Quran.
2- The Scientific Proofs!



Allah Almighty's Divine Claims in the Noble Quran:
The following article and Noble Verses were sent to me by my dear brother in Islam, Frank; a Western convert to Islam. May Allah Almighty always be pleased with him. You can also visit his web site at: http://www.why-christians-convert-to-islam.com/

Let us look at what Allah Almighty Said in the Noble Quran:
"He it is created you from clay, and then decreed a stated term (for you). And there is in His presence another determined term; yet ye doubt within yourselves! (The Noble Quran, 6:2)"
"He rules (all) affairs from the heavens to the earth: in the end will (all affairs) go up to Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be (as) a thousand years of your reckoning. Such is He, the Knower of all things, hidden and open, the Exalted (in power), the Merciful;- He Who has made everything which He has created most good: He began the creation of man with (nothing more than) clay, And made his progeny from a quintessence of the nature of a fluid despised: But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His Spirit. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give! (The Noble Quran, 32:5-9)"
All of our souls came from GOD Almighty's Spirit. Please visit: Abortion in Islam is a crime!

"Just ask their opinion: are they the more difficult to create, or the (other) beings We have created? Them have We created out of a sticky clay! (The Noble Quran, 37:11)"
"Man We did create from a quintessence (of clay); (The Noble Quran, 23:12)"
"We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape; (The Noble Quran, 15:26)"
"God created man of clay, like pottery. (The Noble Quran, 55:14)"

Also, please visit: Life originated from water in the Noble Quran.


The Scientific Proofs!
The following article was taken from: http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn4307. The color, bold and underline emphasis below are mine.

Clay's matchmaking could have sparked life
• 19:00 23 October 2003
• NewScientist.com news service
• Philip Cohen

Two of the crucial components for the origin of life - genetic material and cell membranes - could have been introduced to one another by a lump of clay, new experiments have shown.
The study of montmorillonite clay, by Martin Hanczyc, Shelly Fujikawa and Jack Szostak at the Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, revealed it can sharply accelerate the formation of membranous fluid-filled sacs.
These vesicles also grow and undergo a simple form of division, giving them the properties of primitive cells. Previous work has shown that the same simple mineral can help assemble the genetic material RNA from simpler chemicals. "Interestingly, the clay also gets internalised in the vesicles," says Leslie Orgel, an origin of life expert at the Salk Institute for Biological Sciences in San Diego, California. "So this work is quite nice in that it finds a connection between the mechanism that creates RNA and encloses it in a membrane."
Inherit, mutate, evolve
The genesis of genetic material and the emergence of cell structure are hot areas of research, but until now the two had not connected. The birth of genetic material was clearly crucial for life to take on its unique abilities to inherit, mutate and evolve.
And membranes were key to the physiology of cells because they protect their contents, concentrate chemicals to promote reactions and isolate successful genes from unsuccessful ones. "It's clear you really need both these elements to get evolution off the ground and running," says Szostak.
Research has already shown that some of building blocks for RNA-like molecules and membranes are spontaneously created by chemical reactions in outer space and in conditions that may have existed on the primordial Earth. But how these subunits were then assembled is still debated.
For RNA, one popular theory revolves around the unusual properties of montmorillonite clay. The negatively charged layers of its crystals create a sandwich of positive charge between them. This turns out to be a highly attractive environment for RNA subunits to concentrate and join together into long chains.
100-fold acceleration
Szostak wondered whether montmorillonite could also help the assembly of vesicles from simple fatty acid precursors. He remembers the day his colleagues Hanczyc and Fujikawa ran into his office to show him their first results: the clay caused a 100-fold acceleration of vesicle formation.
"It was pretty amazing," he says. Once formed, the vesicles often incorporated bit of clay and were able to grow by absorbing more fatty acid subunits.
His team also showed the clay could hold RNA and form vesicles at the same time. Fluorescently-labelled RNA attached to the clay ended up assembled into vesicles after the reaction. And the researchers were able to get these "protocells" to divide by forcing them through small holes. This caused them to split into smaller vesicles, with minimal loss of their contents.
Szostak admits that in a natural setting the vesicles would rarely be forced to divide in this way. So now his group is searching for different mixtures of membrane-forming molecules that might divide spontaneously when they reach a certain size.
Journal reference: Science (vol 302, p 618 )

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Science and Existence of Plant's pairs - The Noble Quran claimed it 1500 years ago!



"(God is the One who) sent down rain from the sky and with it brought forth a variety of plants in pairs [azwajan min nabatin shatta]." {Quran, 20:53}
The above verse informing us about the existence of male and female flowers and plants. lets consider the modern research.


Science and Existence of Plant's pairs
Each individual flower has both male and female parts. (1)
Both male and female trees are usually necessary to produce a crop of fruit. For positive fruiting, both male and female trees should be planted. (2)

Previously, humans did not know that plants too have male and female gender distinctions. Botany states that every plant has a male and female gender.

(1) http://www.ext.vt.edu/departments/envirohort/factsheets2/landsnurs/feb88pr6.html
(2) http://www.ces.purdue.edu/gardentips/fruits/persimmons.html
Motion of the Earth in the Noble Quran:


Have WE not made the earth a fast moving object with den of storage?
{Al-Quran 77:25}

Second verse regarding motion of the earth:
"Have We not made the earth as a cradle and the mountains like pegs?"
{Al-Quran 78:6-7}


Third Verse Regarding Motion Of the Earth
And the earth is wada'aha for the creatures

{Al-Quran 55:10}
"wada'atinnaaqah" means " a running camel" (lughat-ul-Quran)
"Wada'aturrajul" means "a running man" (lughat-ul-Quran)

We observed that the word "running" common in both meanings, hence in the above verse the word "wada'a" used with the earth. thus the translation of this verse will be,
And the earth, is a running object for the creatures

{Al-Quran 55:10}

4th Verse Regarding Motion Of the Earth
Who has made for you the earth as a farsh.....
{Al-Quran 2:22}
Farasha means a "flying insect" like moth, mosquito etc. This meaning of farash is used in the following verse of the Holy Quran:


The Noble Quran confirms that the earth is rotating around its axle:


"Thou seest the mountains and thinkest them firmly fixed: but they pass like the passing of the clouds: (such is) the artistry of God, who disposes of all things in perfect order: for he is well acquainted with all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 27:88)"



Translation of Khalifa:
When you look at the mountains, you think that they are standing still. But they are moving, like the clouds. Such is the manufacture of GOD, who perfected everything. He is fully Cognizant of everything you do.
Translation of Palmer:
And thou shalt see the mountains, which thou dost deem solid, pass away like the passing of the clouds;- the work of God who orders all things; verily, He is well aware of what ye do!

Allah Almighty did say that all of the objects in the Universes are swimming in space:
Allah Almighty said that all of the objects of the Universe are swimming; each in its orbit:
"It is He who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, all (the celestial bodies) swim along, each in its orbit with its own motion. (The Noble Quran, 21:33)"


The Scientific Miracle:
Why did Allah Almighty say in the Noble Quran that the mountains pass like the clouds in the sky do? We all know that to humans, the earth doesn't really move. Everything is standing still, except during the times of earth quakes.
So what is the purpose from Allah Almighty telling us that the mountains are moving? By the way, the "mountains" here is not just limited to mountains, but rather it includes the whole ground we're standing on, since like I said, to us humans, the earth doesn't move, except during the times of earth quakes. And the mountains are obviously connected with the ground.
By the way, clouds never really move away. They only rotate around the earth and travel above the earth; above land to land. So if the mountains (the whole ground of earth since the mountains are part of earth) are "moving, like the clouds", then this means that the earth is also moving in circle around its axle.
So, why didn't Allah Almighty just say so? Allah Almighty 1500 years ago did not want to make irrational and CRAZY statements that would've been refused and considered as absurd and utter nonsense to the people who lacked a great deal of knowledge about astronomy and geology. The Miracle of the Noble Quran is that while Allah Almighty made the statement in Noble Verse 27:88 acceptable to the people back then, He also included the scientific claim in it for us today, and told us that the earth does indeed move around its axle.

In fact, Allah Almighty specifically said that in the Noble Quran:
"And the earth We have spread out; set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance. (The Noble Quran, 15:19)"
"He created the heavens [sky] without any pillars that ye can see; He set on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you; and He scattered through it beasts of all kinds. we send down rain from the sky, and produce on the earth every kind of noble creature, in pairs. (The Noble Quran, 31:10)"
"And He has set up on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you; and rivers and roads; that ye may guide yourselves, and marks and signposts and by the stars (men) guide themselves. (The Noble Quran, 16:15-16)"
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The mountains, like pegs, have deep roots embedded in the ground. (Anatomy of the Earth, Cailleux, p. 220)
Allah Almighty said: "Have We not made the earth as a bed, and the mountains as pegs? (The Noble Quran, 78:6-7)"
He the Almighty also said: "And He has set firm mountains in the earth so it would not shake with you....(The Noble Quran, 16:15)"
Please visit: The amazing creation of earth and mountains in the Noble Quran. Science confirms that mountains prevent the earth from shaking while it is revolving around its axle. The Noble Quran made a similar claim.

So, why did Allah Almighty say in the Noble Quran 1500 years ago that the earth is moving like the clouds?
Because the earth was scientifically proven to rotate around its axle:
"The day is defined to be the time between one dawn (or noon) and the next' i.e., the day is defined with respect to the position of the Sun in the sky. Now, the earth revolves around the sun in the sky and so the time taken for the Sun to come to the same position in the sky is longer than the time taken for the Earth to rotate once around itself. You can convince yourself about this by drawing a picture of the Earth in orbit around the Sun and rotating around itself at the same time.
So, the Earth's rotation period is actually 4 minutes less than what we call as one day. As a result of this, the Sun's position in the sky at noon is roughly fixed, but the stars slowly drift apart. So, the stars which are overhead at midnight today will slowly move in the sky until they will be overhead at noon 6 months apart.
If instead we defined a day to be the time taken by the Earth to rotate round itself exactly once, then as you mention, the Sun will be overhead on some day at midnight."
(http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=52)

The overlapping of the Day and Night around the Earth:
The overlapping of the Day over the Night and the Night over the Day is a helpful claim to Noble Verse 27:88 above. Let us look at the following Noble Verse:
"He created the heavens and the earth in true (proportions): He makes the Night overlap the Day, and the Day overlap the Night: He has subjected the sun and the moon (to His law): Each one follows a course for a time appointed. Is not He the Exalted in Power - He Who forgives again and again? (The Noble Quran, 39:5)"

The earth was created as "egg-shaped" in the Noble Quran:
Please visit: Allah Almighty said that the earth is "egg-shaped".
The Earth is round according to Islam.


And the earth, moreover, hath He extended (to a wide expanse); 31. He draweth out Therefrom its water And its pasture; 32. And the mountains Hath He firmly fixed -- 33. For use and convenience To you and your cattle. (The Noble Quran, 79:30-33)"



Signs of the Quran - Astronomy



Astronomy - Alien life forms

We sent down Iron …"
Surah Al-Hadid Surah 57 Ayah 25 "
He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days and His seat (Arsh) was over the Waters…"
Surah Hud 11 Ayah 7
"… His throne (Kursi) doth extend over the heavens and the earth…"
Surah Al-Baqara 2 Ayah 255


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Iron is a heavy element, a transition metal and stands in the middle of the periodic table of elements. This table was proposed by the Russian scientist Dimitry Mendeleyev by the middle of the 19th century and it classifies the elements according to their chemical properties in rows and columns. In this table iron (chemical symbol Fe) has been classified as the 26th element with an atomic weight that varies between 55,8 and 57.
If this compared with the positioning of the verse above and the number of the Surah, it is obvious that there is a special match between the number of the Surah and the atomic weight of iron as well as the number of the Ayah that iron is mentioned in and the number of the element iron. And because the first verse of every Surah is "bismillah hirrahmaan nirraheem", "in the name of Allah most gracious, most merciful" and is not counted as an independent verse, it can be added. The word iron is then in verse 26 of the Surah 57.
The main compound of water is hydrogen, the original and basic element, which is the lightest of all and the most abundant in the universe. It consists of 1 proton and neutron in the nucleus and 1 electron in the shell and in the nuclear fusion taking place in the supernovae (see Universe & Life, Elements), hydrogen and helium, which is produced directly out of it, are fused to heavier elements. So hydrogen "does extend over the heavens and the earth", as stated in S 2:A55 and it is the throne of the creator, meaning he has created all matter out of it. On the other hand the mere seat (arsh in comparison to kursi) is the water, the origin of life. As the creation of the heavens and the earth is mentioned as a more complex act than the creation of life and human beings, it can be associated to the throne rather than the mere seat, which is on water.
Since water is abundant in the universe and it is the source of (carbon based) life, furthermore it is mentioned in the Quran that there are many beings between the heavens and the Earth who praise Allah, it is clear that there must be other intelligent life in the universe.
The picture above shows: THE PERIODIC TABLE OF ELEMENTS, The latest element discovered by scientists in 1999 is a radioactive element which exists for tiny fractions of seconds and has the atomic weight of 114, exactly the total number of Surahs in the Quran. It is unlikely that any new element will be discovered, because the search has been going on for decades and the methods have not improved or changed for a long time. In this respect, the structure of the Quran is a reflection of the elementary creation of the universe. The book of nature and the book of revelation harmonise as they have the same origin, the Almighty Creator.
Iron was sent from Space in the Quran:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/earth.htm
The Seven Layers of the earth's atmosphere in the Quran:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/earth.htm
the layers of the Atmosphere in the Quran:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/earth.htm


Living Creatures were sent down from space. Science confirms the Noble Quran's Claim:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/life_from_space.htm



UFOs and Space Shuttles were explicitly mentioned in the Noble Quran!
Let us look at the following Noble Verses from the Noble Quran:
"And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the living creatures that He has scattered through them: and He has power to gather them together when He wills. (The Noble Quran, 42:29)"
This Noble Verse was forwarded to me by brother Frank (www.why-christians-convert-to-islam.com), who have embraced Islam; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.
As we see, "through them" includes the living creatures in both the Universe (heavens) and the earth. Please visit: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/7906/ for more details and proofs. This link too was forwarded to me by brother Frank.
Also, "gather them together when He wills" seems to suggest that Allah Almighty would allow communication, finding and meeting with those scattered creations in the Universe (UFOs in other words) when "He wills".
Allah Almighty clearly talked about what we call today "space shuttles":
"O ye assembly of Jinns and men! If it be ye can pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, pass ye! not without authority shall ye be able to pass! (The Noble Quran, 55:33)"
When Allah Almighty revealed to Prophet the Noble Quran 1500 years ago, there were no flying air planes or man-made objects invented. Yet Allah Almighty talked about humans passing the zones of heavens by saying "If it be ye can pass....., pass ye! not without authority" What is that authority? It is the Will of Allah Almighty of course, and the physical "space shuttles".

"Say: None in the heavens or on earth, except God, knows what is hidden: nor can they perceive when they shall be raised up (for Judgment). (The Noble Quran, 27:65)"
"Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth but must come to God) Most Gracious as a servant. He does take an account of them (all), and hath numbered them (all) exactly. And everyone of them will come to Him singly on the Day of Judgment. On those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, will (God) Most Gracious bestow love. (The Noble Quran, 19:93-96)"
Noble Verses 27:65 and 19:93-96 clearly suggest that there are beings existing in the Universe in places other than earth.

"Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: 'I will create a vicegerent on Earth.' They said: 'Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?' He said: 'I know what ye know not.' (The Noble Quran, 2:30)"
When I read this Noble Verse the first time after I watched citing of UFOs on TV, I pondered upon it for a while. If Adam peace be upon him was the very first human out of all Mankind that GOD Almighty ever created, then what caused the Angels peace be upon them to be concerned about Adam's creation and say "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?"??
How did they know that we humans were going to do mischief on Earth and shed blood??

Also, notice that Allah Almighty said that he was going to "create a vicegerent on Earth" only! So, it could very well be that Adam peace be upon him was the first human being ever existed on Earth, but not the first human being ever created.
"It is He Who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; Moreover His design comprehended the heavens, for He gave order and perfection to the seven firmaments; and of all things He hath perfect knowledge. (The Noble Quran, 2:29)"
"He Who created the seven heavens one above another: No want of proportion wilt thou see in the Creation of (God) Most Gracious. So turn thy vision again: seest thou any flaw? (The Noble Quran, 67:3)"
"God is He Who created seven Firmaments and of the Earth a similar number. Through the midst of them (all) descends His Command: that ye may know that God has power over all things, and that God comprehends, all things in (His) Knowledge. (The Noble Quran, 65:12)"
In the above Noble Verses we clearly see that Allah Almighty created seven Heavens or probably Galaxies! If we are living in one Galaxy, and there are six other Galaxies like the one we are living in, then it is very highly possible that there are other planets that have living humans in them as well.
Notice carefully that Allah Almighty said in Noble Verse 65:12 "God is He Who created seven Firmaments and of the Earth a similar number...." This could mean that there are six other Earths beside ours.
It could also mean that the Earth is made of seven layers as was Geologically proven. Please visit The mention of creation of Earth and Iron in the Noble Quran perfectly matches our scientific discoveries today.

The dead turning into Fossils and Iron. The Noble Quran Claimed it, and Science today Confirmed it!

http://www.answering-christianity.com/from_dead_to_iron.htm







The Quran states how old is the Universe:

Age of the Universe
There are at least 3 ways that the age of the Universe can be estimated. I will describe

The age of the chemical elements.
The age of the oldest star clusters.
The age of the oldest white dwarf stars.

The Age of the Elements
The age of the chemical elements can be estimated using radioactive decay to determine how old a given mixture of atoms is. The most definite ages that can be determined this way are ages since the solidification of rock samples. When a rock solidifies, the chemical elements often get separated into different crystalline grains in the rock. For example, sodium and calcium are both common elements, but their chemical behaviours are quite different, so one usually finds sodium and calcium in different grains in a differentiated rock. Rubidium and strontium are heavier elements that behave chemically much like sodium and calcium. Thus rubidium and strontium are usually found in different grains in a rock. But Rb-87 decays into Sr-87 with a half-life of 47 billion years. And there is another isotope of strontium, Sr-86, which is not produced by any rubidium decay. The isotope Sr-87 is called radiogenic, because it can be produced by radioactive decay, while Sr-86 is non-radiogenic. The Sr-86 is used to determine what fraction of the Sr-87 was produced by radioactive decay. This is done by plotting the Sr-87/Sr-86 ratio versus the Rb-87/Sr-86 ratio. When a rock is first formed, the different grains have a wide range of Rb-87/Sr-86 ratios, but the Sr-87/Sr-86 ratio is the same in all grains because the chemical processes leading to differentiated grains do not separate isotopes. After the rock has been solid for several billion years, a fraction of the Rb-87 will have decayed into Sr-87. Then the Sr-87/Sr-86 ratio will be larger in grains with a large Rb-87/Sr-86 ratio. Do a linear fit of

Sr-87/Sr-86 = a + b*(Rb-87/Sr-86)

and then the slope term is given by
b = 2x - 1

with x being the number of half-lives that the rock has been solid. See the talk.origins isochrone FAQ for more on radioactive dating.

When applied to rocks on the surface of the Earth, the oldest rocks are about 3.8 billion years old. When applied to meteorites, the oldest are 4.56 billion years old. This very well determined age is the age of the Solar System. See the talk.origins age of the Earth FAQ for more on the age of the solar system.

When applied to a mixed together and evolving system like the gas in the Milky Way, no great precision is possible. One problem is that there is no chemical separation into grains of different crystals, so the absolute values of the isotope ratios have to be used instead of the slopes of a linear fit. This requires that we know precisely how much of each isotope was originally present, so an accurate model for element production is needed. One isotope pair that has been used is rhenium and osmium: in particular Re-187 which decays into Os-187 with a half-life of 40 billion years. It looks like 15% of the original Re-187 has decayed, which leads to an age of 8-11 billion years. But this is just the mean formation age of the stuff in the Solar System, and no rhenium or osmium has been made for the last 4.56 billion years. Thus to use this age to determine the age of the Universe, a model of when the elements were made is needed. If all the elements were made in a burst soon after the Big Bang, then the age of the Universe would be to = 8-11 billion years. But if the elements are made continuously at a constant rate, then the mean age of stuff in the Solar System is

(to + tSS)/2 = 8-11 Gyr

which we can solve for the age of the Universe giving
to = 11.5-18 Gyr


Allah The Allmighty says :
( 22-47 ) < And surely a day with your Lord is as a thousand years of what you number.>
It's mean that a Day by Allah is 1000 years in our reckoning in relation with the revolution of the Moon around the Earth ( it is the Hegire year) or the revolution of the Earth around the Sun ( Gregorian year).
And Allah says :
[70.4] To Him ascend the Angels and the Spirit in a day the measure of which is fifty thousand years.
In this verse of the Sura 'The way of Ascent' ( it is the Way which take the Angels from the Earth to the Heaven after having excecuted the duties necessary for the Life of our Planet and the Kosmos. We can note that Allah doesn't say "fifty thousand years of what you number" because the day in question in this verse is a time measure of a Gods day ( which each day is 1000 years in our reckoning ) and this day is the age of the Universe which all events of our life from heaven to earth ascend to Him.
Let's convert these God's Years in our norms :
50,000 * 365.2422 (days in human year) = 18,262,110 Allah's Days.
One Day by Allah is corresponding 1000 years of our reckoning, therefore the Age of the Universe is :
18,262,110 * 1,000 = 18,262,110,000 years, that's to say that the age of the Universe is around 18, 1/4 Billions years. This number correspond exactly of the above article . After more than 14 centuries, Science and particularly Professor Jean-Claude Batelere of the "College de France" states that it is now a certitude that the Universe is 18 billions years old .


And with Him are the keys of the unseen treasures none knows them but He; and He knows what is in the Land and the Sea, (SURA 6, verse 59 )
The singular word 'Bahr' means sea has occurred 32, all land words has occurred 13 times ('Barr' means land has occurred 12 times + the word 'Yabas' means land occurred 1 time) so the total would be 32 + 13 = 45 times

sea percentage would be: ( 32/45 ) * 100 % = 71.1111 %

land percentage would be: ( 13/45 ) * 100 %= 28.8889 %

and it is the exact percentage of the sea to land ..
Finally after this simple calculation we come to a miraculous result which stated the Quran for more than 1400 years and which the modern Science confirmes.
In Encyclopedia Britannica we can read :

Ocean :
continuous body of salt water that is contained in enormous basins on the Earth's surface.
When viewed from space, the predominance of the oceans on the Earth is readily apparent. The oceans and their marginal seas cover nearly 71 percent of the Earth's surface, with an average depth of 3,795 metres (12,450 feet). The exposed land occupies the remaining 29 percent of the planetary surface and has a mean elevation of only 840 metres (2,756 feet). Actually, all the elevated land could be hidden under the oceans and the Earth reduced to a smooth sphere that would be completely covered by a continuous layer of seawater 2,686 metres deep. This is known as the sphere depth of the oceans and serves to underscore the abundance of water on the Earth's surface.

The Earth is round according to Islam.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/earth_round.htm






Oceanology in the Noble Quran:



http://www.answering-christianity.com/oceanology.htm



The Big Bang Theory and the Cosmic Crunch in the Noble Quran:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/hot_gas.htm





The Noble Quran on the Origin of the Universe:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/the_universe.htm


Comparison between what Allah Almighty said in the Noble Quran with some scientific discoveries:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/allah_and_science.htm



How could Allah create the world in 6 days if science has proved that the world and universe took millions of years to make?

http://www.answering-christianity.com/6_days.htm


Einstein's time relativity in the Noble Quran:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/time_relativity.htm



Black Holes and Piercing Stars in the Noble Quran were confirmed by Science.


http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_37.html


The Mercy of Allah Almighty on Mankind, and our age of 40 Wisdom in Islam, Psychology and Science:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/mercy_of_allah.htm










YOU WANT MORE MIRACLES FROM THE QURAN?

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac20.htm#links
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 02:32 am
Are you saying that all that stuff about Han Solo, Choobacca and Luke is all made up?

My life is now pointless..........
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 02:46 am
And the turtles upon whom the world rests, lo turtledom unto an infinity of turtles?


I go to die.
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ali87
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 02:46 am
Lord Ellpus wrote:
Are you saying that all that stuff about Han Solo, Choobacca and Luke is all made up?

My life is now pointless..........



NO THE QURAN DOES MENTION "ALIANS AND UFOs"

READ ON
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ali87
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 02:48 am
Living Creatures were sent down from space. Science confirms the Noble Quran's Claim:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/life_from_space.htm



UFOs and Space Shuttles were explicitly mentioned in the Noble Quran!
Let us look at the following Noble Verses from the Noble Quran:
"And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the living creatures that He has scattered through them: and He has power to gather them together when He wills. (The Noble Quran, 42:29)"
This Noble Verse was forwarded to me by brother Frank (www.why-christians-convert-to-islam.com), who have embraced Islam; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.
As we see, "through them" includes the living creatures in both the Universe (heavens) and the earth. Please visit: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/7906/ for more details and proofs. This link too was forwarded to me by brother Frank.
Also, "gather them together when He wills" seems to suggest that Allah Almighty would allow communication, finding and meeting with those scattered creations in the Universe (UFOs in other words) when "He wills".
Allah Almighty clearly talked about what we call today "space shuttles":
"O ye assembly of Jinns and men! If it be ye can pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, pass ye! not without authority shall ye be able to pass! (The Noble Quran, 55:33)"
When Allah Almighty revealed to Prophet the Noble Quran 1500 years ago, there were no flying air planes or man-made objects invented. Yet Allah Almighty talked about humans passing the zones of heavens by saying "If it be ye can pass....., pass ye! not without authority" What is that authority? It is the Will of Allah Almighty of course, and the physical "space shuttles".

"Say: None in the heavens or on earth, except God, knows what is hidden: nor can they perceive when they shall be raised up (for Judgment). (The Noble Quran, 27:65)"
"Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth but must come to God) Most Gracious as a servant. He does take an account of them (all), and hath numbered them (all) exactly. And everyone of them will come to Him singly on the Day of Judgment. On those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, will (God) Most Gracious bestow love. (The Noble Quran, 19:93-96)"
Noble Verses 27:65 and 19:93-96 clearly suggest that there are beings existing in the Universe in places other than earth.

"Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: 'I will create a vicegerent on Earth.' They said: 'Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?' He said: 'I know what ye know not.' (The Noble Quran, 2:30)"
When I read this Noble Verse the first time after I watched citing of UFOs on TV, I pondered upon it for a while. If Adam peace be upon him was the very first human out of all Mankind that GOD Almighty ever created, then what caused the Angels peace be upon them to be concerned about Adam's creation and say "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?"??
How did they know that we humans were going to do mischief on Earth and shed blood??

Also, notice that Allah Almighty said that he was going to "create a vicegerent on Earth" only! So, it could very well be that Adam peace be upon him was the first human being ever existed on Earth, but not the first human being ever created.
"It is He Who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; Moreover His design comprehended the heavens, for He gave order and perfection to the seven firmaments; and of all things He hath perfect knowledge. (The Noble Quran, 2:29)"
"He Who created the seven heavens one above another: No want of proportion wilt thou see in the Creation of (God) Most Gracious. So turn thy vision again: seest thou any flaw? (The Noble Quran, 67:3)"
"God is He Who created seven Firmaments and of the Earth a similar number. Through the midst of them (all) descends His Command: that ye may know that God has power over all things, and that God comprehends, all things in (His) Knowledge. (The Noble Quran, 65:12)"
In the above Noble Verses we clearly see that Allah Almighty created seven Heavens or probably Galaxies! If we are living in one Galaxy, and there are six other Galaxies like the one we are living in, then it is very highly possible that there are other planets that have living humans in them as well.
Notice carefully that Allah Almighty said in Noble Verse 65:12 "God is He Who created seven Firmaments and of the Earth a similar number...." This could mean that there are six other Earths beside ours.
It could also mean that the Earth is made of seven layers as was Geologically proven. Please visit The mention of creation of Earth and Iron in the Noble Quran perfectly matches our scientific discoveries today.
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 02:51 am
PHEW! That's a relief.

I was just about to sell my figure of the almighty god Jabba, on ebay.

I have now put him back on the mantelpiece, and am lighting a jostick in his honour.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 02:53 am
Turtles holding up the earth?

It mentions these?
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ali87
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 02:55 am
dlowan wrote:
Turtles holding up the earth?

It mentions these?



WHERE THE HELL DID YOU HEAR THAT THATS IN THE QURAN?

PROVIDE THE VERSE PLEASE!!!!!!!?
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 03:00 am
ali87 wrote:
dlowan wrote:
Turtles holding up the earth?

It mentions these?



WHERE THE HELL DID YOU HEAR THAT THATS IN THE QURAN?

PROVIDE THE VERSE PLEASE!!!!!!!?


I believe that dlowan was asking, rather than stating a fact.

It would worry me greatly if there were turtles running things, as the mighty lord Jabba doesn't like turtles.
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ali87
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 03:01 am
NO TURTLES DONT RUN THE EARTH NOR HOLDUP THE EARTH IN THE QURAN, NOW PLEASE LEAVE.
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 03:05 am
ali87 wrote:
NO TURTLES DONT RUN THE EARTH NOR HOLDUP THE EARTH IN THE QURAN, NOW PLEASE LEAVE.


I will light another jostick to Jabba on your behalf, ali, so that he may calm your waters and help you to find the correct path that leads to Darthicity.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 05:41 am
Ali spends an awfully large portion of his time here shouting . . . one can only conclude that Islam is not calming for the nerves . . .
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Jason Proudmoore
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 05:53 am
These are the verses of "EPIC OF CREATION,"the Babylonian Enuma Elish. (early 2nd milennimun B.C)

When skies above were not yet named,
Nor earth below pronounced by name,
Apsu, the first one, their begetter
And maker Tiamat, who bore them all,
Had mixed their waters together,
But had not formed pastures, nor discovered
reed-beds;
When yet no gods were manifest,
Nor names pronounced, nor destinies decreed,
Then gods were born within them.
Lahmu (and) Lahamu emerged, their names pronounced....(and so on)

I think these lines also reveal how everything was created. People don't realize that religious books were written by poets who copied their writing styles from ancient, mythological books. That's why they are filled with flaws and stupidity. The most absurd thing is that these people took it quite seriously. What a shame.
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ali87
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 01:28 pm
Jason Proudmoore wrote:
These are the verses of "EPIC OF CREATION,"the Babylonian Enuma Elish. (early 2nd milennimun B.C)

When skies above were not yet named,
Nor earth below pronounced by name,
Apsu, the first one, their begetter
And maker Tiamat, who bore them all,
Had mixed their waters together,
But had not formed pastures, nor discovered
reed-beds;
When yet no gods were manifest,
Nor names pronounced, nor destinies decreed,
Then gods were born within them.
Lahmu (and) Lahamu emerged, their names pronounced....(and so on)

I think these lines also reveal how everything was created. People don't realize that religious books were written by poets who copied their writing styles from ancient, mythological books. That's why they are filled with flaws and stupidity. The most absurd thing is that these people took it quite seriously. What a shame.




what about every other scientific claim that the QURAN made that became accurate?!!!!!!! SO THAT POEM EXPLAINED EVERYTHING HUH???why dont you read before you judge, i do admit that many ancient stories were passed on to the torah and the bible from iraq, but take for example the story of NOAH's flood from the bible and compare it to the Quran, youll see that the bible clamied it to be all over the world, while the Quran claimed it to be only around the area NOAH and his people lived, much like a local flood. today geology and archeology proved that to be true. AND PROVED THE BIBLE'S CLAIMS TO BE FALSE. you dont know anything about the Quran, and here you are talking ****!
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 01:30 pm
So Ali, what was up with that illiterate old fecker Mohammed and Aisha--she was only six years old, for chrissake (heeheeheeheehee--i crack me up)--how come you jokers revere an old faker like that?
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Questioner
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 01:30 pm
Ali, you are an egotistical moron.
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ali87
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 01:58 pm
Setanta wrote:
So Ali, what was up with that illiterate old fecker Mohammed and Aisha--she was only six years old, for chrissake (heeheeheeheehee--i crack me up)--how come you jokers revere an old faker like that?





Aisha was 6 years old when her parents pledged her to be married to prophet Mohammad, she never entered Mohammad's house until she became mature at the age of 9 NOT 6.(A GIRL IS CONSIDERED MATURE WHEN SHE HAS HER FIRST MENSTURATION). Back then and even now in Arabia because of the hot climate girls matured early, take for example a 9 year old Eskimo girl, and compare her to a 9 year old North African girl, or an Arabian girl, you will see a major difference. So Aisha being 9 would've looked like a 15 year old Eskimo girl. In hotter climates girls sexual body parts mature earlier than that of girls in colder climates that is why you see Middle Eastern teenage guys growing facial hair at an early age. Also girls mature earlier than guys, both mentally and physically. And back then not only in Arabia but almost all over the world girls were wed at a young age. Aisha became mature when she entered Prophet Mohammad's house as his official wife at the age of 9, AGAIN NOT 6. Also the life expectancy for men was around 40 50 years, and in pre-Islamic Arabia it was even shorter, because of the constant wars between different tribes. Many men died at wars and didn't even make it to their late 30's leaving their wives and daughters behind. (WHAT DO YOU THINK THOSE YOUNG DAUGHTHERS OF THE MEN THAT DIED AT WARS HAD TO DO IF THEY WERE POOR? THEY HAD TO GO OUT AND SELL THEMSELVES, BECAUSE THEY HAD NO OTHER SUPPORT, AS YOU KNOW WOMEN DIDNT WORK BACK THEN LIKE MEN DID. ITS EVEN HAPPENING TODAY IN COUNTRIES SUCH AS ROMANIA, FATHERS ARE SELLING THEIR YOUNG DAUGHTERS INTO PROSTITUTION BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO WAY TO FEED THEMSELVES AND THE KID!

So to say Prophet Mohammad was a pedophile is completely absurd, because all men married young girls back then almost all over the world, and it was the mentality back then, so to call him a pedophile would be to call every single man a pedophile back then! And another reason, if he was a pedophile then how come his first wife Khadijah was 15 YEARS OLDER THAN HIM? When he was 25 and she was 50! SHE WAS A WIDOW! AND HOWCOME HIS OTHER WIFE MAIMOONA WAS 50 YEARS OLD? AGAIN A WIDOW! HOW COME MOST OF HIS WIVES WERE WIDOWS AND OLDER? Certainly if he wished he could've had any beautiful young girl he wanted! When he became prophet, and the parents would've gave their girls to Mohammad anytime he wished. He became famous and powerful, so why did he choose to marry widows, and women that were in need of financial help, rather than young beautiful girls if his aim was only lust and pleasure? This is where; multiple marriages (up to 4 wives) in Islam stands to be justified. It was meant so that single mothers and their young daughters wouldn't have to prostitute themselves.

(ALSO WOMEN'S POPULATION ARE MORE THAN THAT OF MEN'S, FOR EVERY 1 MAN THERES 4 WOMEN, AND WOMEN HAVE A LONGER LIFE EXPECTANCY THAN MEN, GOD ALMIGHTY KNEW THIS 1400 YEARS AGO!)
IF PEOPLE FOLLOWED THE TRUE ISLAMIC LAWS OF THE HOLY QURAN, AND IF A MAN WHO WAS "FIANCIALLY ABLE" MARRIED UP TO FOUR WIVES TO SUPPORT THEM, THEN PROSTITUTION WOULDNT EXIST TODAY, OR TO SAY THE LEAST WOULDVE BEEN WAYYYY LESS. AND CERTAINLY MEN WOULDNT COMMIT ADULTERY BEHIND THEIR WIVES. (Men have higher sexual desires than women, that's why you see men cheating more than women) this system if worked properly according to the Quran would've been so much helpful.

(Remember the Quran never says a man has to marry more than one wife; it says that if the man thinks that he cannot treat all the wives equally then he should marry only "ONE")


prostitution of women is in its highest rate even in the greatest world power: the US OF A, so many single mothers in the US are forced into prostitution because their so called "husbands" desert them after taking advantage of them leaving behind bastardized children. It's happening way more obviously in poorer countries, its happening even more than it was before. So then why didn't Mohammad not leave any of his wives if his goal with them was only lust? at a time when all other Arab men used to get drunk and commit adultery and rape women, why did prophet Mohammad stayed committed to his wives?



BUT AGAIN MOST MUSLIM MEN TODAY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF RELIGION AND MARRY ONLY FOR PLEASURE AND ONLY FOR LUST, THESE ARE NOT TRUE MUSLIMS, THESE MEN ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF RELIGION, THEY WILL BURN IN HELLFIRE. AND THATS HOW MISSIONARY RATS USE THIS TO TRASH THIS BEAUTIFUL RELIGION, AND ALSO POLYGAMMY WASNT INVENTED IN ISLAM, MANY PROPHETS BEFORE MOHAMMAD IN BIBLICAL TIMES HAD HUNDARADS OF WIVES, IT WAS ALLOWED UP TO THE 1700S UNTIL PRIESTS FORBADE IT SEEING HOW MEN WERE TAKING ADVANTAGE. WHEN ISLAM ARRIVED IT FIXED THE CORRUPT SYSTEM

(Now some may argue and say that even the system in the Quran is corrupted, because if men can marry more than one, then why cant woman?)


MY RESPONSE: science has proven that although both men and women are the same but they're different in how they think. One example is that men tend to make important decisions by mostly using their thoughts, based on knowledge; on the other hand women tend to make important decisions mostly based on their emotional feelings. THAT IS THE MAIN REASON WHY WE DO NOT HAVE AN AMERICAN FEMALE PRESIDENT, because for such a country to succeed it would need a cold blooded murderer such as George w bush, and if a woman was president instead of him, she would've made most of her decisions based on her feelings, and she would've most likely felt sorry for the children of Iraq. But perhaps, in the new coming election, Lady Hillary Clinton might have a chance, since before her George w bush sucked enough oil out of Iraq to last them a century.

IM NOT IN ANY WAY SAYING MEN ARE BETTER THAN WOMAN, I AM JUST SAYING, THAT: "WE ARE THE SAME, YET WE ARE DIFFRERNT"


SO IMAGINE IF A WOMAN WAS ALLOWED TO MARRY UP TO FOUR MEN! THIS SYSTEM AND WAY OF LIFE WOULDVE NEVER WORKED, SIMPLY BECAUSE THE WOMAN WOULDVE MADE MOST OF HER IMPORTANT LIFE DESISIONS BASED ON HER EMOTIONS. A WOMAN'S BRAIN WORKS DIFFERENT THAN THAT OF A MAN, A TRULY COMMITED WOMAN CANNOT MADLY FALL INLOVE WIITH MORE THAN ONE MAN, WHILE GOD MADE MEN DIFFERENT SO THAT THEY CAN LOVE MORE THAN ONE WOMAN, SO THAT THEY CAN EMBRACE THEM UNDER THEIR ARMS, AND CHERISH AND LOVE AND PROTECT THEM.


That is why in the Quran it's mentioned that when a woman wants to make an important life decision her father or an older brother or an uncle should be with her to guide her.




But Look at Muslim countries now, they're making Islam look bad, by marrying different wives for only pleasure, it was never meant to be that way, it was meant to support the woman and her kids financially. Mohammad was a true follower of Islam, he never married for pleasure, besides its not like Mohammad rode on a white horse snatching her away. He married her, by her parent's permission. And it was after she went through puberty; she was mature as I explained above. The so called "pedophilia" in the Quran is way different than the pedophilia in the man corrupted bible.
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ali87
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 01:58 pm
Important Note: Please pay attention toward the end of this article to the Virgin Mary's (peace be upon her) age. According to Christian resources, Mary was 12-14 when she had Jesus. You will also see proofs from the Jews' Holiest Book, the Talmud, that girls were married off before at the age of 3, meaning that the Bible's Old Testament has no age limit on when girls can marry, and certainly the Jews had awfully abused it in the past. You will also see a section on the Prophets of the Bible who married hundreds of wives and some had even slept with their neighbor's wives and some had exposed their wives in the most disgusting PORNOGRAPHIC way to the entire world in the Bible. You will also see my response to the missionaries' argument: "Jesus never got married, so therefore Muhammad is not truthful".

Every time the Muslims talk about Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him to the anti-Islamic, the anti-Islamic use Muhammad's marriage with a girl named Aisha as a point against Islam. They claim that since Muhammad was in his 50's and Aisha was only 9 years old, then its ok to call him a "Child Molester":

Narrated Aisha: "The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Alright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)"

Notice here that Aisha's mother and the Muslim women back then were ok with her marriage. It was part of the Arab custom and still is in many of the Muslim and non-Muslim countries today for girls to marry at a very young age. When a girl's body starts showing up (her breasts and her height and physical size), then she would be ready for marriage. This is further elaborated on in the "The Middle Eastern and other Cultures" and "What about Aisha's parents (mon and dad), are they too "Child Molesters"?" and "The life span 1400 years ago was very short" sections below in this article.

The "child molester" charge is a terrible unfair attack on Islam because it doesn't apply to our beloved prophet in anyway!
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ali87
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 01:58 pm
But still, she is considered a child in our standards today!

Well, a lot of the things we do today are not right in the eyes of many. Our "standards" today mean nothing to what took place 1400 years ago. Today, anyone under 18 years old is considered a "child", a baby still under his mommy's and daddy's care. Back then on the other hand, people who reached the age of 18 were considered wise and very mature.

Let me share this Islamic story with you:

There is a famous Islamic figure called "Osama bin Zayd (or Zaid)". I was told that this man was once a leader or one of the leaders of the Muslims who met the Roman Christians. He defeated them. He was only 16 to 18 years old.

So the point is, Aisha, peace be upon her, might look as child to you, but back then she certainly was considered as "woman" who was qualified for marriage.



The following articles contain more proofs:


From http://ismaili.net/histoire/history03/history333.html: (bold, color and underline emphesis below are mine)

Osama bin Zaid
At about the middle of the month of Safar, in the 11th A.H., on Monday, Muhammad ordered his followers to make speedy preparations for an expedition against the people of Mauta in the Byzantine territory, and the sources go to say, to avenge the massacre of the soldiers, who had fallen in recent skirmishes. The next day, on Tuesday he appointed Osama to the command of the army. Osama was the son of Zaid bin Harith, who had been slain at Mauta, and was a youth of 17 or 18 years. On Wednesday, a violent inroad of headache and fever seized Muhammad, but the next morning of Thursday, he found himself sufficiently recovered to prepare a flag-staff, with his own hands, which he made over to Osama. The camp was then erected at Jorf, three miles from Medina on the route to Syria. He ordered all his followers at Medina to join it at once, not excepting even the renowned companions to join it at once. Only Ali, who was required to remain with him at Medina, was exempted. The malady, although gaining ground, did not confine Muhammad entirely to his house. He used to move into the mosque, through the door of his apartment, to lead the prayers. After about a week of his summoning the men to the Syrian expedition under Osama, he perceived that the progress to join the camp at Jorf was very slow and poor, therefore, he once again addressed the people to join the Syrian expedition. The sickness of Muhammad was increasing every day, and the Syrian expedition, weighed upon his mind, and continued saying to those around him, "Send off quickly the army of Osama." According to the Shiites, Muhammad was really reprimanding his companions for not joining the expeditionary force. Knowing that Muhammad's end was near, the companions were reluctant to leave Medina at such a critical time and fearful that, if they absented themselves, Ali might step uncontested. In sum, the army of Osama could not depart from Medina during the time of Muhammad.

..........



From http://www.dawn.com/2003/08/22/fea.htm: (bold, color and underline emphesis below are mine)

"...Assuming the responsibilities of the caliphate he was confronted with the problems that some of the tribes who had already embraced Islam broke off, many tribes declined to pay Zakat and false prophets emerged to take advantage of the situation. Hazrat Ayesha (RA) at this is reported to have uttered that the problems faced by my father if had befallen on Jibal-ur- Rasiat it would have shattered. However, credit goes to him who with courage and resolution overcame them.

His first priority was to dispatch the expedition to Syria under the command of Osama bin Zaid originally ordered by the Holy Prophet but delayed due to his (SAW) death. It was a critical juncture for him. In the wake of alarming condition he was advised not to send, but he did not yield and without hesitation dispatched it in order to execute the wishes of the Holy Prophet. He was so much concerned that he himself came out of Madina to see the expedition off which soon returned graced by victory. It boosted the morale of the Muslims very much...."
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ali87
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 01:59 pm
Was Muhammad a pedophile?

The following is an email sent to me by brother Amir Abdul Rahim; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.

From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Was Muhammad a child molester?
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:37:17 +0000 (GMT)

Assalamu Alaikum Wr Wb

The discussion of Muhammad's marriage to Aisha has recently come up on a muslim message board, with the usual cries of 'Muhammad was a pedophile' coming from the usual anti-Islam lobby.

In order to answer this filthy slander, I went to a police website detailing the traits of a pedophile, and this is what I came up with. It seems that, even by today's standards, Muhammad could not be considered a pedophile.

Please feel free to use or edit this text in any way you like.

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Okay, lets have a look at the psyche of a typical pedophile, and see how much of it fits Muhammad shall we? Quoted text is taken from Understanding the Pedophile Psyche, courtesy of the Police Federation of England & Wales:

http://www.polfed.org/magazine/08_2001/80_2001_paedophile.htm

"Low self esteem. Many pedophiles, although by no means all, do not have a great sense of capacity for adopting a sexual demeanor towards adults or those of their own age or older. They feel unhappy and fearful at the prospect of sexual behaviour with adults and hence turn to children due to the fact that they are unable to have the strength of personality to seek adults for sexual demeanor. When considering treatment therefore it is important to establish and develop a higher sense of self-esteem in such individuals."

As well as being married to Aisha, he was also married to many other women during his life. He wasn't certainly suffering from low self-esteem. Therefore, this does not apply to Muhammad.

"Lack of impulse control. Many pedophiles find it extremely difficult to deal with the impulsive nature which inclines them towards sexual behaviour to children. They simply cannot control their need for engaging children in sexual practices. They might be said to suffer from an obsessive-compulsive condition. Here again treatment would involve developing better impulse control and of course redirecting the sexual inclinations."

As has been mentioned before, Muhammad waited for at least two years before consummating the marriage. Therefore, this point of 'lack of self control' does not apply to Muhammad. Also, fasting during Ramadan requires abstention from sexual relations. Why would Muhammad practise this if he had no self-control?

"Denial. Many pedophiles deny there is anything wrong with having sexual relations with children and many will in due course paradoxically deny having carried out such practices should they be confronted. It is vital to change the attitudes of such individuals much as in the lack of empathy with their victim."

Muhammad never once denied having sex with his wife. Also note the use of the term 'victim'. Aisha could not be described as a victim. Therefore, this does not apply to Muhammad.

"History of previous pedophile activity. Many pedophiles have carried out minor or major acts of pedophile behaviour in the past and this has led to habit as well as the obsessive-compulsive nature of the act towards children. It is vital here to promote alternative habits i.e. in attitudes and demeanor of sexual behaviour with adults."

Muhammad has no history of pedophile activity whatsoever. Also, as I pointed out, all of Muhammad's other wives were adult, and there is no evidence of him being obsessed with children. Therefore, this doesn't apply to Muhammad.

"Poor family relationships - many pedophiles have come from families that are in chaos or are lacking in stability. This has led them to view sexual behaviour with children rather than adults as acceptable especially if this has been practised upon them by a member of the family in the past. Although it is difficult to reverse what has happened in the past through discussion or attitude changes it is vital that insight must be gained by the individual into how his/her pedophile activity originated and was developed through the family dynamics."

Although he was orphaned at a young age, Muhammad was always very close to all his family members, and advocated that whosoever cuts the bond of kith and kin, he/she would be denied paradise. Therefore, this does not apply to Muhammad.

"Low IQ - there are pedophiles who have low intelligence but by no means all are in this category. Where this is the case appropriate therapeutic efforts must be made to develop understanding of what they are doing wrong and what they must do to change."

Despite being illiterate, Muhammad had a reputation for being a very bright young boy, an excellent trader, and an extremely wise man. Therefore, this point does not apply to Muhammad.

"Loneliness, depression and relationship needs - this particular trait is associated with low self-esteem and lack of empathy with the victim. Many pedophiles are lonely individuals who live on their own and have found it difficult to establish relationships with adults, especially for sexual purposes. Some suffer from psychological problems and even psychotic illnesses. Here intensive treatment and monitoring is in order."

Muhammad wasn't suffering from depression when he married Aisha. Also, low self-esteem, loneliness, and difficulty to establish relations could not be attributed to Muhammad.

"Having been themselves sexually abused - many pedophiles have themselves been sexually abused in the past by adults. They merely imitate what they experienced and continue their activity considering it as appropriate since it was done to them."

This certainly isn't true.

I have demonstrated that, despite the fact Muhammad married a nine-year old girl, he could NOT be considered a pedophile.
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