When Is It A Lie?

I offered her my hand,
she took me by the arm.
I knew that very instant,
she meant to do me harm.

Lash, you know I've been thinking...

If you had spent any time here before assuming to know anything about members, you would know that I've been on both sides of a multitude of exchanges like this.

The result of disagreement with someone you have a low opinion of--isn't a negative.

I thought the influx of "Christians" would produce an interesting shift in the demographics here, and was having fun with quippy PMs behind the scenes, teasing about Crusades and such. ...Until I started getting what I consider to be rather sick e-mails from your little group, taking the whole "conversion thing" much more seriously. Some mentioned you. "Heph is with us!"

When people actively proselytize, the first thing they're saying is "I am superior to you--you're life is worthless, here, watch me. I'm right.".

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If you had spent any time here before assuming to know anything about members, you would know that I've been on both sides of a multitude of exchanges like this.

The result of disagreement with someone you have a low opinion of--isn't a negative.

You know Lash once again I tell you what I said was purely to make a point, not to assume that I knew anything about you. Things that people say can be taken in such a variety of ways. Especially when it's in a forum where you can't see the person, or hear the tone of their voice. I was, in a very crude way, pointing out exactally how you sounded. But I'll aplogize again because that was really rude. It was wrong, I know.

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I thought the influx of "Christians" would produce an interesting shift in the demographics here, and was having fun with quippy PMs behind the scenes, teasing about Crusades and such. ...Until I started getting what I consider to be rather sick e-mails from your little group, taking the whole "conversion thing" much more seriously. Some mentioned you. "Heph is with us!"

If you had spent any time at all talking to me or reading any of my other posts before making assumptions about where I stand you would see that I don't function within any particular "group". I have friends on both sides and I have issues with both sides. None of which I choose to make personal in any manner in an open forum. Well, except for a couple of instances where my words preceeded my thoughts. I'd be happy to link you to those if you would like to see just how inconsiderate I can be sometimes. I don't deny the fact. I just apologize and go on. Which is exactally what I'm going to do with this.
If you had taken anytime to look at the bulk names MoAn mailed her battle directions to--you would have seen that mine was up there---and the content named you as an active participant in her machinations.

Was she lying?

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When people actively proselytize, the first thing they're saying is "I am superior to you--you're life is worthless, here, watch me. I'm right.".

It is interesting to me that you say this, because this kind of behavior isn't just limited to "christians". I would encourage you to take a look at yourself in the mirror before you go throwing things like this around at others. If you can find anywhere that I have said such things except in my conversation with real life a few days ago and last night with you, I would appreciate it if you could give me a link to it, cause I'm sure I owe someone an apology! It has never been my goal to assert anything like that about myself or others. Though I realize I'm not beyond doing it. What's done is done, I'm letting it go now. I've done all that I can do. I don't hold any hard feelings towards you, but I won't blame you if you still hold hard feelings towards me. Take care. I'm sure I'll see you around.

If you had taken anytime to look at the bulk names MoAn mailed her battle directions to--you would have seen that mine was up there---and the content named you as an active participant in her machinations.

Was she lying?

Except....? LOL.

Hey everybody, Lash knows Jesus....? Did you, from your most special Christian vantage point, feel that Lash shouldn't/couldn't/may not know Jesus...? Gays don't, either, do they? They're all going to hell, right? And, the atheists, and the agnostics, and the <add Heph's choices here>

There is a difference in defending an opinion, and feeling superior to people.

No, it's not "out there" by any means.

I think you made up the brown recluse story. I think you zeroed in on that member, searched his past posts for a handle, found the story, and used it for your own purposes. But, kudos. You sucked in everybody, save two or three.

Well, send me your address and I will send you my bill from the emergency room. Man, you give me credit for being a whole heck of a lot smarter than I actually am. Thanx for that, at least.

I think you intentionally manipulate as much as you can for sympathy. Again, you're doing a brilliant job in the endeavor.

If I was doing a brilliant job, I don't think I'd be complaining about people being nasty, would I? So again, I think you give me too much credit.

You have PMed me to say that I ruined your plot to get posters to say what you wanted them to say-- but, you "forgive me". I can't describe the levels of disgust that vaults.

Lash, that was meant as a joke and I think you know that. But, yes, I said it. I won't deny it. I've said things to you like it's us vs. them becaue that is how I felt at the time. I have come to see things a bit differently and I am trying very hard not to project that us vs. them mentality. I admitted that I did have that mentality. I probably still do in some respects. I made that statement to you about God said it is that way. Yes, God did say you are either for Him or against Him. But, I am trying to resolve that within myself. So many people are telling me that is not the way it is. So, I am trying to discern that for myself.

I think if you need sympathy, you should ask for it in the appropriate venue. You're sure to get loads of it, as we have seen.

Well, if you think being told your thread makes someone want to puke is sympathy, we differ greatly. Or if you think being told I am a homophobe, etc., is garnering sympathy then I need to revise my plan cause this one ain't working right.

I think you have a serious agenda here, and are quite dishonest, and horribly warped about "what God says", based on what sits in my PM box. I find your views harrowing, but don't be concerned--everyone else here, save two or three, seems to think they're not that bad.

I have no agenda. You seem to think I do, but I don't. Hey, Lash, post the friggin PM, ok? Let everyone see it. Just make sure you post the one that tells you exactly what I meant by that, ok? I told you, I have nothing to hide, Lash. If I said it, then I said it. If I was wrong then I'd admit I'm wrong.

This could not be characterized as a disagreement.

Well, see the thing here is you never told me there was a problem in the first place. You just let me go on pmming you and joking with you and so on but never one time said a thing about something I said offended you. Why is that? I trusted you enough to let my guard down some and say some things to you I might not say to someone else and you never said a word. Gee, when I sent you a pm the other night about we need to talk you pm'd me back with "are you breaking up with me?" I took that as a joke because you thought I was miffed at you or something. So, does that mean you had some agenda because you didn't tell me you had a problem with me?

No, the email in question has nothing to do with praying for anybody. You must have had me on your bulk mailing list accidentally. We'd already parted ways, when I recieved it.

Not sure what you are referring to. Perhaps the email I sent out about helping me come up with some characters and stuff for a satirical atheist skit? Hey, I told everyone I was going to do it. I thought maybe they should get it right back at them. So? I was angry. I never carried through on it. If that's not what you're talking about, then I'm not sure what it is. Wait a minute. Battle plan? The only email I remember sending out with Heph's name in it is the one that I asked for prayers for her about her challenging someone in a thread about the contradictions (I think that's what it was) in the Bible. As a matter of fact, let me just put that email right out there, Lash. I'm not ashamed of it. I'm not embarrassed by it and if someone has a problem that I did it then that's their problem.

My bulk email:

Some of you know that I post on the Spirituality & Religion forum on Able2know.com as do some of you.

Recently, a new poster, Hephzibah has joined us. She is a very strong Christian in the Lord. She is issuing a challenge right now to another poster (a non-believer) who says there are many contradictions in the Bible. She is ready to do battle for the Lord in this. I am asking that everyone please say a prayer for her. Pray that God gives her the wisdom and understanding she will need in this endeavor.

I know that everyone will understand my asking for this prayer, as you all know I am a Christian and God is the biggest part of my life. I thank all of you for your support!

Momma Angel

I don't intend to make things difficult for you, unless you press issues with me. When you try to duck the truth about what you have said to me, casting doubt on what I've said, this will be the result. I'm not getting a bit of enjoyment from this, and hope to never feel compelled to do it again. I harbor no ill will against anyone, but I'd prefer that you enjoy your sojourn here without contacting me personally on the thread, as well as not by PM.

You can't make anything difficult for me. I can only do that for myself. If you think airing anything I have said to you in private is going to cause me difficulty, it's not. I either said it or I didn't. You either took it in the vein it was meant to be in or not. Lash, life's too short. As I have been reminded quite a bit lately, this is an internet forum. Say what you will. I don't really care. It's not going to change my life one iota nor do I suspect what I think or say or do is going to change yours.

I am sorry I offended you. I still don't know for sure how I did it.

Now, it's out there.