Suprise! Bush tells a lie.

How DARE you question the integrity of the king!

Oh, the same Bush that said "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees. They did anticipate a serious storm," is the one that warned about the need for a mandatory evacuation just in case the levies were breached.

Look, everybody heard the newscasts leading up to the storm. Two and three days out, they were predicting a high likelihood of a category 4 or 5 hitting directly into New Orleans and everybody knew the levees were designed for category 3, maybe 4 max. Nobody knew for sure because it had never happened before. If I could figure it out, how come the mayor that lives there and lives with the information for years, has the evacuation plans, same for the governor, how come they couldn't figure it out? No instead, its George Bush's fault. I suppose if you have a flat tire, George Bush did it. It is amazing that nothing, absolutely nothing is ever the fault of a Democrat. They refuse to take responsibility for anything. Like a bunch of children. Its Johnnys fault ........always somebody elses fault. Alot of us have had it with the mindset. If you can think of a recent instance where a Democrat took the blame for anything, please tell me.

My God okie, Who blamed Bush? What we are wondering about, and you seem to have known this before the storm hit, why did Bush say after the storm..



The govt documents show they were concerned about it. Your claim that Bush told the mayor and governor to evacute shows concern about the levees. (Never mind that the evactuation plan had been called up before Bush even conversed with them.) Yet somehow Bush didn't think anyone anticipated the levees being breached.

Please explain Bush's statement in light of your own statements and the government documents so those of "Bush haters", as you call thinking people, can understand it.

Either the levee breaches were anticipated or not. If they were then Bush's statement is flat out wrong. If the levee breaches weren't anticipated then why did they have a mandatory evacuation?

The problem okie is you expect us to accept mutually exclusive statements as both being true. That isn't possible in the real world.

Who blamed Bush is your question? Many of you I get the impression from whats been posted.

I don't know why he said what he did. What I do know is clearly the engineers did not design the levees to withstand a category 4 or 5 hurricane direct hit. I think everybody knew that fact for years and there had been much talk about it. I think its a little like a building not built for an earthquake 8.0 or greater on the Richter scale, but nevertheless when one happens and the building collapses, it is still a shock to see it go. Even though the building is not designed for something that severe, you still hope and almost expect it to not fail. It was a shock to see the levees breached and to see all the flooding. Obviously nobody expected it to happen or they would have been reinforcing them more diligently. Perhaps they didn't expect the hurricane to hit landfall at the strength it did, perhaps that was what he meant. I would need to know the context of all the conversation to know what he meant by it, but based on what was known, it seems like the people in Louisiana that lived with the situation should at least have been prepared to expect the levees to possibly break if the storm hit above a category 3.

There is no way I can review every document, every conversation, every study, everything that transpired. All I know is a couple of key facts, one the governor and mayor are the primary people responsible for knowing about the dangers and for ordering evacuations if necessary. I think that has been established. It has also been established that the levees were not designed for a category 4 or 5 hurricane. As to who is at fault for not building them higher, reinforcing them, I don't know, but from what I've heard, there is plenty of blame to go around between state officials, the federal government, including several administrations, and the city of New Orleans. Bush could probably have handled the crisis better, but in no way should he shoulder the majority of the blame for not evacuating in a timely manner.

And as far as FEMA is concerned, I do not think FEMA is the primary agency to handle a disaster during the disaster, its primary purpose is to help cleanup and provide assistance in the aftermath of a disaster. They do not own ambulances, emergency vehicles, police and fire equipment, or evacuation equipment for the most part, that is the responsibility of local officials to have a plan to implement with those assets during a disaster.

Okie
The question asked was "Did Bush lie" not to fix the blame. Can we get a straight answer from you?

9/11 spy
claim whacked



By JAMES GORDON MEEK
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU

WASHINGTON - In speech after speech, President Bush claims that if the National Security Agency could have wiretapped two Al Qaeda operatives living in San Diego, the 9/11 attacks might have been thwarted.
That's a whopper, critics say.

"We didn't realize they were here plotting the attack until it was too late," Bush said Wednesday at NSA headquarters.

"It's not true," ex-9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey, president of the New School in Manhattan, told the Daily News. "We knew about those two guys - the CIA lost them."

The two men were Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid Almihdhar, who hijacked American Airlines Flight 77 and flew it into the Pentagon.

They were identified in late 1999 by the NSA as Al Qaeda agents and tracked by the CIA to Malaysia and Thailand, where they were lost, according to the 9/11 commission's report. The CIA learned in March 2000 that Alhazmi flew to Los Angeles in January, but kept it secret.

"The problem was the CIA and FBI not communicating and not picking them up," said Thomas Kean, the commission's former chairman.

Yet Bush and Vice President Cheney repeatedly have cited the case as an example of how warrantless spying inside the U.S. might have saved 3,000 lives - a claim Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) yesterday blasted as "revisionism."

"The White House has thrown together a public relations campaign to invent excuses for why they have done this program illegally and this claim is part of that effort," Leahy said.

Asked yesterday why he maintains the NSA could have stopped the 9/11 plot, Bush pinned it on his No. 2 intelligence aide, the ex-NSA director, saying, "Well, [Gen.] Michael Hayden said that because he believes that had we had the capacity to listen to the phone calls from those from San Diego, we might have gotten information necessary to prevent the attack."

Originally published on January 27, 2006


The Bush presidency will be remembered as the presidency of false claims. Dare I say the biggest damn lier to ever occupy the American seat of government.

Why? It isn't exactly like you ever gave a straight answer.

okie

Great, when all else fails answer a question with a question.

au1929 - The Bush administration and Congress, through the Patriot Act removed the "wall" that caused the problem you have outlined above. Because of that, future events may be halted.

The Bush Presidency will be remembered as the Presidency that safeguarded America from Muslim extremism and brought deomcracy to the middle east.

by you in your dotage perhaps.

MgC wrote



Have you noticed that the Palestinians have achieved democracy. Hamas, a terror organization has been elected to lead that "budding" nation. We can now be reasonably sure that the peace process if not dead, is severly wounded. Now on to iraq.

The PLO was once a terrorist organization as well, but when they involved themselves in politics they became just another form of corrupt government. The same will most likely become of Hamas. If they do not, they will not survive as Israel will not tolerate a terrorist regime so close to their borders.

The people of Palestine have elected who they feel will be be able to change the current situation which is their right to do. I hope, for their sake, they have chosen appropriately. I hope you have also noticed democracy taking foot in many of the countries in the middle east that had never had that opportunity until Bush came into office...

Ho ho ho!!! And this is due to Bush's wonderful world leadership, I suppose?

McG
Need I remind you that Hitler was elected by the German people.

No. Why?

Need I remind you that we shall have to wait and see how Hamas handles the situation going forward before we condemn them?