Can You Make Me See Red?

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Charlotte is colorblind. She has never one time experienced the color of anything. Sandy is blind. She has been blind since birth. She has never experienced sight. David is deaf. He was born deaf. He has never experienced sound.

To these three respectively, color, sight, and sound do not exist. Sure, they can be told by others that these things do exist. But, how do you get them to experience these things? How do you make Charlotte see red? How do you make Sandy see? How do you make David hear?

Your scientific explanations are useless. Telling these three that these things do exist will do nothing. Can you do it? Can you explain any or all of these things?

I submit that to those that do believe God exists because they have personally experienced it, this is basically the same. They cannot make you see or experience God.

Now, prove red, sight, or sound to these three. Can you do it? Can you make me see red?

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My brother is a teacher at the Perkin School for the Blind. I bet he knows a thing or two about teaching the blind how to see red. But, I don't.

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Charlotte is colorblind. She has never one time experienced the color of anything. Sandy is blind. She has been blind since birth. She has never experienced sight. David is deaf. He was born deaf. He has never experienced sound.

To these three respectively, color, sight, and sound do not exist. Sure, they can be told by others that these things do exist. But, how do you get them to experience these things? How do you make Charlotte see red? How do you make Sandy see? How do you make David hear?

Your scientific explanations are useless. Telling these three that these things do exist will do nothing. Can you do it? Can you explain any or all of these things?

I submit that to those that do believe God exists because they have personally experienced it, this is basically the same. They cannot make you see or experience God.

Now, prove red, sight, or sound to these three. Can you do it? Can you make me see red?

To explain streams of sensation is impossible, for they are undefined and are abstract. What is blue?

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So, then do you admit that you really cannot tell someone there is no God when they tell you that they have experienced God?

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But I can tell others that they have NOT experienced God, for God does not affect this world.

Argumentum ad Ignoratum: No (decisive) evidence against C ("god exists")->C is true.

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Not even going to try aktorist? Charlotte can tell you red does not exist because she has never seen color. Sandy can tell you sight does not exist because she has never seen. David can tell you sound does not exist because he has never heard. So, you can tell someone God does not exist because you have never experienced Him. It doesn't change a thing, does it?

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Momma, you're comparing apples and oranges.

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True, but I already believe that one cannot conclude the nonexistance of god. What are you trying to get at here?

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But I can tell others that they have NOT experienced God, for God does not affect this world.

How do you KNOW that?

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Simple induction. I suppose that other than the bible, you haven't heard of God appearing in this world, have you?

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I think you are missing Momma Angel's entire point, aktorist.

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What am I trying to get at? Hmmm. Let's see if I can explain this correctly.

For these three individuals a certain thing DOES NOT exist in their reality. It does not mean that these things do not exist at all. It just means that for these three these things do not exist.

Just as you cannot explain the color red, sight, or sound from your experience with them, no one can explain God to you as they have experienced Him. Now, you cannot tell these three people that these things do not exist because you have experienced them so, you cannot really tell someone that has experienced God that He does not exist.

It is not a matter of science in these scenarios. It is a matter of each person's experience. I just thought maybe if everyone could look at it in a little different light it might help us all understand each other just a bit.

littlek,

No, not apples and oranges. Experiences.

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If this is a puzzle, the answer is easy.
1 You write a note to David and ask him to determine the colrs apart by experiencing red and green

2 He then goes to Charlotte and together they experience red and green with instruments like a spectral reader that can turn color into data

3 Then David and Charlotte together go to sandy and they all experience red and gereen by using instruments with sound output for sandy (red would give a different frequency than green) Charlotte would see the needle and hear the sound, and David would see the needle and see the color. Science could make the kids understand that the concept of "colour" is intrinsic to the properties of light and the surface it acts upon.

Why does God need to be bothered , hes got too much in his plate so as it is.

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this is an absurd metaphor carried over from another thread (where it died). MA has a problem distinguishing between perception and reality.

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littlek wrote:

Momma, you're comparing apples and oranges.

You need to check out the "What God Truly Is" thread where it is said that red can be explained but God cannot. The use of optical illusions and machinery was needed for the proof of red, whereas God doesn't need machinery to be proven.

Main thing though littlek is to just check out that thread...I really cannot summarize it properly or completely here.

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For these three individuals a certain thing DOES NOT exist in their reality.

If you are saying that that which does not affect them are nonexistant, then by that definition, it is existant. It may not affect them directly, but the photons sure are hitting other people's eyes, and they say it because they observed it. And they can pass the reliable information to the blind. Same thing with air waves.

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Just as you cannot explain the color red, sight, or sound from your experience with them, no one can explain God to you as they have experienced Him. Now, you cannot tell these three people that these things do not exist because you have experienced them so, you cannot really tell someone that has experienced God that He does not exist.

It's simple that those who claim to experience God are just hoaxes.

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It is not a matter of science in these scenarios. It is a matter of each person's experience. I just thought maybe if everyone could look at it in a little different light it might help us all understand each other just a bit.

Sound and light are different things because God is a theoretical construct. I think you are confusing what is a theoretical construct to a physical construct. Even to the blind and deaf, they can experience light and sound. They can feel light and sound. Because the photons and waves are still there as much as the quarks are still there. You cannot see atoms, can you? But there's evidence.

Maybe we cannot experience quarks, but we have evidence. And we can confirm that evidence anytime we want.

It is not the same with God.

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No, sturgis, I don't need to check out the thread. Momma's premise should be able to stand alone, but it doesn't.

However, I might check out that thread just because.

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Farmerman,

Nice try. But, you still have not made each person experience the things that they have never experienced. I say it is impossible.

Dys, I don't have a problem distinguishing anything. What I am trying to tell you is that just because you do not experience something does not mean it isn't so. :wink:

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Can I make you see red?

You mean can I make you see that religion is man made and a sin against man and god because it separates good people against eachother and perpetuates war, judgement, self-righteousness.

Satan can only dream about the pain, death and suffering that has been achieved by the "will of god".

No. I don't think I can make you see red. You choose net to see.

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Therefore, God exists. He he.

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