Is the bible reliable?

I have posted the sites that explain why I believe we are not under the law.

(Genesis 2:4-7 gives a somewhat different version: Man was formed on day 3, before creating plants, animals or rain.)

4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

If your side wins, they begin governing with their agenda, right?

Why do you act as if this were not the case?

I believe Jesus was the fulfillment of the law because He took the punishment for the old laws. We no longer have to face that punishment. He is our intercessory with God. God sees us through Jesus Christ and He does not see us as the sinners we are (for those that believe in sin.)

real life wrote:

If your side wins, they begin governing with their agenda, right?

Why do you act as if this were not the case?

Quite simple really. My 'side' composes of me, so my politics are defined by me. Your 'side' is little more than the vast majority of the unintelligent and/or untrained thinkers adopting a dangerous and ultimately untenable prefabricated position.

Mesquite,

He is God. We are not. He gets to make the rules. He created us. We did not create Him (no matter what some believe). I am sorry that you don't see God for what He really is instead of what you think He is.

Doktor S wrote:

real life wrote:

If your side wins, they begin governing with their agenda, right?

Why do you act as if this were not the case?

Quite simple really. My 'side' composes of me, so my politics are defined by me. Your 'side' is little more than the vast majority of the unintelligent and/or untrained thinkers adopting a dangerous and ultimately untenable prefabricated position.

Well, DS, my understanding of your belief system is that you define yourself as god, correct?

It's really not my fault if you can't get anyone but you to believe that. So your group seems destined to remain small for quite some time to come.

Tough luck, eh?

real life wrote:

Doktor S wrote:

real life wrote:

If your side wins, they begin governing with their agenda, right?

Why do you act as if this were not the case?

Quite simple really. My 'side' composes of me, so my politics are defined by me. Your 'side' is little more than the vast majority of the unintelligent and/or untrained thinkers adopting a dangerous and ultimately untenable prefabricated position.

Well, DS, my understanding of your belief system is that you define yourself as god, correct?

It's really not my fault if you can't get anyone but you to believe that. So your group seems destined to remain small for quite some time to come.

Tough luck, eh?

That you are totally oblivious is congruent with your philosophical position in general. No surprise here.

Mesquite,

You have only pointed out in the Bible what you feel are atrocities. You don't consider why these things were done. You don't consider the New Covenant of God. You pick out what you think proves God is. You only look at part of the picture. How can you know if you don't consider the whole picture? You obviously do not have the same concept of God that I amd many others do. You only consider one portion.

Why do you preach hate?

Because the Bible preaches hate. For every one verse about God's mercy, love, compassion, etc., there are two verses about His vengeance, hatred, wrath, etc. The maudlin, kissy-pooh, feel-good, touchy-feely preachers of today's society are damning this nation and this world to hell. They are telling you what you want to hear rather than what you need to hear, just like what happened in the days of Isaiah and Jeremiah: "That this [is] a rebellious people, lying children, children [that] will not hear the law of the LORD: Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits: Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us." Isaiah 30:9-11; "Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart." Jeremiah 14:14; "They have healed also the hurt [of the daughter] of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when [there is] no peace. Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time [that] I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD." Jeremiah 6:14-15. And also in the New Testament we are warned: "For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. One of themselves, [even] a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians [are] alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith." Titus 1:11-13; "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of." II Peter 2:1,2. What you need to hear is that God hates people, and that your chances of going to heaven are nonexistent, unless you repent. What you need to hear is a little fire and brimstone preaching, like Jesus preached. What you don't need to hear is that you're okay just the way you are, and God accepts everyone without exception. Don't listen to the money-grubbing heretic who stands at the front of your church. Listen to God. If you are one of His elect, you'll hear.

Doesn't the Bible say that God loves everyone?

No. You are probably thinking of John 3:16, which says no such thing. The word translated "world" in that verse (kosmos) NEVER means every individual of mankind who has ever lived (see, e.g., John 17:9). Romans 9:13 says that God hated Esau, and Psalm 5:5 says that God hates all WORKERS of iniquity (e.g., fags). Other examples are Proverbs 6:16-19, Psalm 11:5, and Malachi 1:3. Given these verses, how can you say God loves everyone? Can you really say "God loves everyone" when God says "I hated Esau?" Does God love the people in hell?

Or, you are thinking of "God is love." God certainly is love, toward His elect (His children). But He certainly is not love toward the reprobate (children of the devil). That's why His elect go to heaven, and the reprobate go to hell. In Romans 9:13, which says "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated", Jacob is a representative of God's elect, while Esau is a representative of the reprobate. In Romans 1, the word "reprobate" is used to describe fags. Fags are reprobate. God hates reprobates. Therefore, God hates fags.

Furthermore, God specifically says that He ABHORS people who engage in sodomy (as well as other forms of sexual perversion): "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them...And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them." Leviticus 20:13,23. Understand? GOD ABHORS FAGS.

God's hatred is one of His holy attributes, whereby He reveals Himself as having a fixed and immutable determination to punish the finally impenitent with eternal perdition. God's hatred is not like man's hatred. His hatred is holy, pure, unchanging, while man's hatred is a sinful, fickle emotion.

neologist,

I have read much of this thread but not all of it.

Has anyone mentioned that the bible was passed on orally in very ancient times and therefore it is not surprising that it contains contradictions?

It is also not surprising that stories from ancient tribes would include atrocities.