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lets pray for our troops

 
 
Intrepid
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jan, 2006 01:27 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
What do you really believe "praying for our troops" will accomplish? Do you honestly believe that less of our men and women will be killed?

The way to help our troops is to make sure that our government provides the proper eequipment for our soldiers. Did you know that this administration provided sub-standard equpment to our troops, and that was the cause of some 80 percnet of our marines getting killed for nothing?

Wake up and smell the coffee. It has nothing to do with "prayer."


Those of us who are outside the bounds of your country do not have a voice with your government to enact any change. All we can offer your troops is our prayers. I do not know if less will be killed, I can only offer hope and prayer that they are not.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jan, 2006 01:27 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
Anon-Voter,

I am really trying very hard to understand you and your position. But, I would really like to know just how you decide who is or who isn't a real Christian.

It seems that the only ones you consider to "get Christ" are the ones that agree with you. I would like some clarification on this, if I may. I am not trying to be a smart aleck on this, Anon. Perhaps if I understand your criteria for being a Christian I can understand you better.


I lost any hope of you understanding anything when you came up with the idea I was supporting Christianity as law. I think about 80% of what is said to you goes sailing over your head.

Anon
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jan, 2006 01:29 pm
Hare Krishna.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jan, 2006 01:37 pm
Momma Angel Wrote:

Quote:
Anon-Voter,

I am really trying very hard to understand you and your position. But, I would really like to know just how you decide who is or who isn't a real Christian.

It seems that the only ones you consider to "get Christ" are the ones that agree with you. I would like some clarification on this, if I may. I am not trying to be a smart aleck on this, Anon. Perhaps if I understand your criteria for being a Christian I can understand you better.


Anon-Voter Wrote:

Quote:
I lost any hope of you understanding anything when you came up with the idea I was supporting Christianity as law. I think about 80% of what is said to you goes sailing over your head.

Anon


Anon,

You made a statement about legislating Christianity or the faith or something like that. I responded as I understood it. Then I was told I misunderstood it. Fine, I asked then please tell me how I misunderstood what you said. I ask questions until I understand.

I am really trying to understand what you meant. That is why I am asking you.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jan, 2006 02:59 pm
Anon-Voter wrote:
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
Anon-Voter wrote:
husker wrote:
dlowan do you know why Jesus wept?


Because his followers missed the entire message???

Anon


not all of them, anon. some simply walk the path, and lead by example.

as i understand the words attributed to the christ, it seems that he would wish for his followers to pray that all soldiers in all armies would lay down their weapons in peace and go home to their families.


Finally! A Christian who gets Christ! DTOM, please accept my respects and my admiration!

Anon


thank you for your kind words, anon.

but, ummm, no. i'm not a christian. i was raised in that religion, and in the bible belt, to boot. so, yeah, i have some understanding of jesus' intent. i don't go with the embelishments, but i do believe that the man, jesus (if what we have of his teachings is accurate), was an impassioned teacher and a truly enlightened person for his time.

teaching peace and compassion is always a good thing. the nastier aspects of human behavior are instinctual, so reminders that we can do better are always helpful.

and in that spirit, i believe that if the creator really does spend anything like the amount of time we are told he does thinking about our small planet, his intentions for the christ were to move the human evolution a little farther towards civilized behaviors.

i have no problem with that aspect of the christ story at all. sounds like a pretty good idea to me...
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djjd62
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jan, 2006 03:18 pm
ma, as i understood anon, he was complaing about the religious right and the neo cons using christianity to form legislation as opposed to more secular means

he was not suggesting that christianity be legislated
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jan, 2006 03:27 pm
djjd62 wrote:
ma, as i understood anon, he was complaing about the religious right and the neo cons using christianity to form legislation as opposed to more secular means

he was not suggesting that christianity be legislated


that's what i got from it as well. and i agree with him about that.
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djjd62
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jan, 2006 03:30 pm
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
djjd62 wrote:
ma, as i understood anon, he was complaing about the religious right and the neo cons using christianity to form legislation as opposed to more secular means

he was not suggesting that christianity be legislated


that's what i got from it as well. and i agree with him about that.


that goes with out saying


well maybe not in this forum Smile
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jan, 2006 03:47 pm
Anon-Voter,

I DO owe you an apology. I completely misread that statement. Last night I can only say in the heat of the discussion I misread it. I had asked someone else to read that thread for me today and tell me if I was misreading you. They said I was and so, please, forgive me for getting that all confused.

But I would like to ask you an honest question that I would really appreciate an answer to, if you would be so kind.

Will you not agree that we ALL have the exact same right to consider whatever we deem necessary in making our decisions in the voting process? What you believe is best for society may not be what I believe is best for society and vice versa? I don't think it's any more fair of me to ask you to not consider something when you vote than it is for you to expect me to not consider something.

Can we agree on that much at least? Like I said, fine if there are no prayers in schools, religious monuments in public buildings, no In God We Trust on money or in the Pledge of Allegiance, I can live with that as separation of church and state. But, in deciding the laws that I would or would not vote for, I cannot be expected to forego a part of my makeup that determines my ethics, morals, etc. I would suspect the same is true of most if not all of us.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jan, 2006 04:10 pm
Intrepid wrote:
Those of us who are outside the bounds of your country do not have a voice with your government to enact any change. All we can offer your troops is our prayers. I do not know if less will be killed, I can only offer hope and prayer that they are not.


We do, however, have voices with our government. Our government, with others, can continue to voice their concerns to the American government. Whether that makes any difference or not is a separate matter.

Unless we have told OUR politicians what we think (and now is a good time, obviously, as there is a federal election campaign), I don't think we can say we've done what we can to prevent further deaths resulting from the American invasion of Iraq.

Prayer is one thing.

Action is something else.

~~~~~~~~

http://www.ploughshares.ca/libraries/WorkingPapers/wp943.html

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We call for peace: Statements on peace by Canadian churches and religious organizations


Quote:


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The politics of particularist security are, in other words, a matter of religion. This is because such security also has a god: one whose highest virtue is strength, whose method is violence, and whose promise is "business as usual" in the interests of the powerful. The churches call in this document for conversion: a turning towards liveable life; conflicts to be resolved without weapons, without blood. And the churches call in the very concrete language of the Bible itself. When it calls on people to become converted, it not only speaks of the human heart and mind but also of human technology: it says to beat our swords into ploughshares.

Sponsored by the Canadian Council of Churches and supported by the major Canadian churches, Project Ploughshares presents this collection of Canadian church statements on peace and disarmament. They make a major contribution to a constructive and collective Canadian response to the crisis of the scores of armed conflicts which devastate the life of our world and to the crisis of escalating militarization. The statements raise acute questions of faith and security; if they offer no final or satisfactory answers, they surely call for critical participation in the search for peace.


Walk the talk.

Sometimes cliches work.
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Im the other one
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jan, 2006 07:50 pm
kickycan wrote:
Well, I believe in the soul. The c*ck. The p*ssy. The small of a woman's back. The hanging curveball. High fiber. Good scotch. That the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a Constitution Amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas eve. And I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days...


Shocked
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Im the other one
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jan, 2006 07:58 pm
msolga wrote:
Momma Angel wrote:
msolga,

I wasn't trying to be funny or anything. I wold honestly like to hear your specifics. There are some things some might find extreme that others don't. I was just looking for some clarification.


<sigh>

MA, in a nutshell (& I speak for myself, not other A2K members) I find this shoving of the most simplistic versions of "religion" a downright turn-off. And I like A2K! I've been here almost since the start. I simply don't appreciate this bombardment of simplistic Christianity down the throats of users of this forum. (For the record, I have no problem at all with common, everyday, compassionate Christians who want to make the world a better, fairer & more compassionate place. In fact I like them! Smile )


And what makes you so sure the poster in this thread isn't???
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Im the other one
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jan, 2006 07:59 pm
msolga wrote:
Momma Angel wrote:
msolga,Isn't the point of the title of a thread to draw people to the thread?


It's not just this thread! It's all the endless, sanctimonious, boring, tedious, silly religious threads I'm reacting to!


I can't speak for all believers here, but I think your stuff is boring also.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jan, 2006 08:06 pm
I'm the other one wrote:
msolga wrote:
Momma Angel wrote:
msolga,

I wasn't trying to be funny or anything. I wold honestly like to hear your specifics. There are some things some might find extreme that others don't. I was just looking for some clarification.


<sigh>

MA, in a nutshell (& I speak for myself, not other A2K members) I find this shoving of the most simplistic versions of "religion" a downright turn-off. And I like A2K! I've been here almost since the start. I simply don't appreciate this bombardment of simplistic Christianity down the throats of users of this forum. (For the record, I have no problem at all with common, everyday, compassionate Christians who want to make the world a better, fairer & more compassionate place. In fact I like them! Smile )


And what makes you so sure the poster in this thread isn't???


Just a hunch! :wink:
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jan, 2006 08:07 pm
I'm the other one wrote:
msolga wrote:
Momma Angel wrote:
msolga,Isn't the point of the title of a thread to draw people to the thread?


It's not just this thread! It's all the endless, sanctimonious, boring, tedious, silly religious threads I'm reacting to!


I can't speak for all believers here, but I think your stuff is boring also.


OK! Very Happy
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jan, 2006 08:11 pm
I'm the other one

I have this feeling that you're going to go through the whole of this thread & make some little comment on all the bits you didn't like. It's starting to feel like Groundhog Day! Laughing
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Im the other one
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jan, 2006 08:35 pm
Anon-Voter wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
and perhaps it is time to take bigotry off the streets


You people are bringing on these negative feelings all on your own! I've always been tolerant of all faiths, but I'm starting to hate you so-called Christians with a passion. For starters, I doubt if any of you can agree on what a true Christian is !! Secondly, the more you force your "faith" into being law, the more I can't stand you. When you back a warmonger who is killing people for power and greed while he makes a fool of you, it doesn't speak well for your so-called moral structure. Keep up the good work boys and girls, pretty soon you'll have a tremendous backlash against your movement!!

Anon


Anon-Voter wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
and perhaps it is time to take bigotry off the streets


You people are bringing on these negative feelings all on your own! I've always been tolerant of all faiths, but I'm starting to hate you so-called Christians with a passion. For starters, I doubt if any of you can agree on what a true Christian is !! Secondly, the more you force your "faith" into being law, the more I can't stand you. When you back a warmonger who is killing people for power and greed while he makes a fool of you, it doesn't speak well for your so-called moral structure. Keep up the good work boys and girls, pretty soon you'll have a tremendous backlash against your movement!!

Anon


Anon-Voter wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
and perhaps it is time to take bigotry off the streets


You people are bringing on these negative feelings all on your own! I've always been tolerant of all faiths, but I'm starting to hate you so-called Christians with a passion. For starters, I doubt if any of you can agree on what a true Christian is !! Secondly, the more you force your "faith" into being law, the more I can't stand you. When you back a warmonger who is killing people for power and greed while he makes a fool of you, it doesn't speak well for your so-called moral structure. Keep up the good work boys and girls, pretty soon you'll have a tremendous backlash against your movement!!

Anon


You know what avon-man?

I'm so glad you guys hate me....let's me know I'm in the right religion. :wink:


Matthew 24:9
"Then they shall deliver you up to be afflicted, and they shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake."

John 15:19
"If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you."

Mark 13:13
"And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

Matthew 10:22
"And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."

John 15:18
"If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you."
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jan, 2006 08:38 pm
Typical. "You guys hate me." One person speaks of hating, and the I'm so persecuted mode comes into play.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jan, 2006 08:40 pm
"avon-man," that's like so totally cool other one, did you come up with that on your own or did you have help?
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Im the other one
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jan, 2006 08:41 pm
husker wrote:
Anon-Voter wrote:
husker wrote:
Anon-Voter wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
and perhaps it is time to take bigotry off the streets


You people are bringing on these negative feelings all on your own! I've always been tolerant of all faiths, but I'm starting to hate you so-called Christians with a passion. For starters, I doubt if any of you can agree on what a true Christian is !! Secondly, the more you force your "faith" into being law, the more I can't stand you. When you back a warmonger who is killing people for power and greed while he makes a fool of you, it doesn't speak well for your so-called moral structure. Keep up the good work boys and girls, pretty soon you'll have a tremendous backlash against your movement!!

Anon


is this like an organized threat?


It's going to be how people treat you as they get tired of your pushing Theocracy as Law! It's got nothing about being a threat, it's about reaction to the Christian belief that their faith should be legislated!!

Anon


Anon - you have some real problems dude


More than he will ever see..........
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