lets pray for our troops

Setanta wrote:

I object on several bases, not the least of which is that the scripture of christians enjoins them to pray and worship privately, and therefore, such public expressions constitute a form of hypocricy. I consider that the point of this thread is to tout the christian virtue of the author, as opposed to actually being an exercise in support of the troops.

I see ... you object because you think Christians are being hypocritical when they pray together. I'll tell you what, if you are right, if public prayer is not permitted, then just about every Christian worship service is conducted contrary to Jesus' teachings. As it turns out, you are not correct.

Matthew 6:5, which you may be referring to, does not condemn public prayer completely, but speaks to the spirit in which the prayer is given. Jesus teaches that the purpose of prayer is not to show off. Those Jesus was talking about were praying in public because they considered themselves holier than those listening to them pray.

Now, Matthew 19-20 says: "Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them."

Thus, there is a call for public prayer when approached with the correct spirit. Contrary to your belief, I do not believe MA has started this or any other prayer thread to tout her "christian virtue."

That being said, you're free to believe what you wish to believe, obviously.

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Setanta wrote:

I object on several bases, not the least of which is that the scripture of christians enjoins them to pray and worship privately, and therefore, such public expressions constitute a form of hypocricy. I consider that the point of this thread is to tout the christian virtue of the author, as opposed to actually being an exercise in support of the troops.

well that's your opinion - just like everyone has one -

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Thank you!

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Tico,

I tried pointing out to Setanta that it was the prayer for show Christ was talking about.

You are so right, I can't believe every church in the world would be praying if it were meant we must never pray in public.

Thanx so much for the encouragement!

Husker,

kudos!

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dlowan wrote:

Thank you!

You're welcome.

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Ticomaya wrote:

Setanta wrote:
I object on several bases, not the least of which is that the scripture of christians enjoins them to pray and worship privately, and therefore, such public expressions constitute a form of hypocricy. I consider that the point of this thread is to tout the christian virtue of the author, as opposed to actually being an exercise in support of the troops.

I see ... you object because you think Christians are being hypocritical when they pray together.

No, you are setting up a straw man, a favorite technique of yours. What i wrote was: ". . . scripture of christians enjoins them to pray and worship privately, and therefore, such public expressions constitute a form of hypocricy." I most certainly did not say that christians are being hypocritical when they pray together. I expect no less from you, though, than you will attempt to make an argument where you have none, and that you will attempt to turn a statement into the basis for an argument by employing a straw man.

Yes, i certainly do consider that MOAN does things like this because she wishes to tout her christian virtue. This is something of which i became convinced long before this thread existed, and i so stated publicly in these fora, as the record will show.

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Momma Angel wrote:

I tried pointing out to Setanta that it was the prayer for show Christ was talking about.

This is precisely the charge which i level against you.

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You're welcome, Our Cunning Coney. Interesting program, no?

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Setanta wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:
I tried pointing out to Setanta that it was the prayer for show Christ was talking about.

This is precisely the charge which i level against you.

Setanta,

I understand that. I realize that is what you feel I am doing. There is nothing I can do to convince you that I am not. I am content to leave this decision to God.

BTW, thanx so much for the advice on the spider biting me. My foot is kind of numb and swollen but I believe since you told me to do something right away, I won't have any more problems with it. I really do appreciate you posting that I needed to get to the phone right now.

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Setanta wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:
Setanta wrote:
I object on several bases, not the least of which is that the scripture of christians enjoins them to pray and worship privately, and therefore, such public expressions constitute a form of hypocricy. I consider that the point of this thread is to tout the christian virtue of the author, as opposed to actually being an exercise in support of the troops.

I see ... you object because you think Christians are being hypocritical when they pray together.

No, you are setting up a straw man, a favorite technique of yours. What i wrote was: ". . . scripture of christians enjoins them to pray and worship privately, and therefore, such public expressions constitute a form of hypocricy." I most certainly did not say that christians are being hypocritical when they pray together. I expect no less from you, though, than you will attempt to make an argument where you have none, and that you will attempt to turn a statement into the basis for an argument by employing a straw man.

Yes, i certainly do consider that MOAN does things like this because she wishes to tout her christian virtue. This is something of which i became convinced long before this thread existed, and i so stated publicly in these fora, as the record will show.

Huh? No "strawman" here. You said: ". . . the scripture of christians enjoins them to pray and worship privately, and therefore, such public expressions constitute a form of hypocricy." You believe that says something other than "public prayer constitutes a form of hypocrisy"?

If you were not attempting to claim that christians are being hypocritical when they pray together, I'm not sure what you meant to say. In any event, you are certainly incorrect to make that statement, because Jesus clearly calls his people to pray together.

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Setanta wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:
I tried pointing out to Setanta that it was the prayer for show Christ was talking about.

This is precisely the charge which i level against you.

Some weeks ago I made the observation, that, through personal experience, that I have found that the most strident supporters of a religion, (or a cause) are those who have either converted from another faith, or have recently discovered a cause to espouse.

With many people it is almost as if they need to go overboard to prove to the world, and most likely to themselves, that they are good Christians, or environmentalists, or feminists, etc. The faith or the cause is not the issue, it is the method by which people join themselves to a new group.

The point is that often new converts to anything have an overwhelming desire to say to the world, "Look at me.........look what I've found". It is also a way, psychologically, for the person to take that final step to bind themselves to the faith, or cause. They are literally, "shouting from the rooftops".

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Setanta wrote:

You're welcome, Our Cunning Coney. Interesting program, no?

Interesting book, I suspect, also.

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Ticomaya wrote:

Setanta wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Setanta wrote:
I object on several bases, not the least of which is that the scripture of christians enjoins them to pray and worship privately, and therefore, such public expressions constitute a form of hypocricy. I consider that the point of this thread is to tout the christian virtue of the author, as opposed to actually being an exercise in support of the troops.

I see ... you object because you think Christians are being hypocritical when they pray together.

No, you are setting up a straw man, a favorite technique of yours. What i wrote was: ". . . scripture of christians enjoins them to pray and worship privately, and therefore, such public expressions constitute a form of hypocricy." I most certainly did not say that christians are being hypocritical when they pray together. I expect no less from you, though, than you will attempt to make an argument where you have none, and that you will attempt to turn a statement into the basis for an argument by employing a straw man.

Yes, i certainly do consider that MOAN does things like this because she wishes to tout her christian virtue. This is something of which i became convinced long before this thread existed, and i so stated publicly in these fora, as the record will show.

Huh? No "strawman" here. You said: ". . . the scripture of christians enjoins them to pray and worship privately, and therefore, such public expressions constitute a form of hypocricy." You believe that says something other than "public prayer constitutes a form of hypocrisy"?

If you were not attempting to claim that christians are being hypocritical when they pray together, I'm not sure what you meant to say. In any event, you are certainly incorrect to make that statement, because Jesus clearly calls his people to pray together.

Now you are backpeddling furiously. You wrote: "I see ... you object because you think Christians are being hypocritical when they pray together." That was a strawman, i objected to public prayer, not christians praying together. Your rhetorical abilities are either truly poor, or you think people are truly stupid, and that you can just make it up as you go along. Your latest response is a tour de force in confused thinking. I objected that public prayer is a form of hypocricy, not praying together. Has that sunk in yet? If not, i'm prepared to point out the strawman you're attempting to erect again, and again, and again . . . .

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Setanta wrote:

Yes, i certainly do consider that MOAN does things like this because she wishes to tout her christian virtue. This is something of which i became convinced long before this thread existed, and i so stated publicly in these fora, as the record will show.

Setanta,

I suspect that is the reason for many of the so-called "Christian" posters here who are "praying together" on a public forum. It's a wonderful show of what great "Christians" they are. They totally ignore the teachings of Christ, however, they pray loudly and vehemently together here!

Perhaps if we got them all crosses they could climb up on ??? That would indeed be a great show of the "Christianity". MOAN has been on the cross ever since she got here.

Ah, the great Tico ...,

What a wonderful idea ... perhaps if we start praying to the all-powerful, all knowing Allah for the sacred "freedom fighters" in Iraq that are protecting their country from the Christian Crusade. Let us pray for their safety as they kill the Christian infidels to protect their country, their "GOD", and their culture, their way of life. Let's all pray to the great Allah for their safety as they blow up the infidels in their underprotected vehicles. Let's pray for our holy "freedom fighters" as they shoot and kill the Cristian hoards with insufficent body armor!! Most of all great Allah, get the Chrictian hoards the hell out of here and make them go back to their own country.

Tico, what a great idea!! Great Post Tico!

Anon

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Setanta wrote:

Now you are backpeddling furiously. You wrote: "I see ... you object because you think Christians are being hypocritical when they pray together." That was a strawman, i objected to public prayer, not christians praying together. Your rhetorical abilities are either truly poor, or you think people are truly stupid, and that you can just make it up as you go along. Your latest response is a tour de force in confused thinking. I objected that public prayer is a form of hypocricy, not praying together. Has that sunk in yet? If not, i'm prepared to point out the strawman you're attempting to erect again, and again, and again . . . .

You must have a different concept of "public prayer" than I do.

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Anon-Voter wrote:

Ah, the great Tico ...,

What a wonderful idea ... perhaps if we start praying to the all-powerful, all knowing Allah for the sacred "freedom fighters" in Iraq that are protecting their country from the Christian Crusade. Let us pray for their safety as they kill the Christian infidels to protect their country, their "GOD", and their culture, their way of life. Let's all pray to the great Allah for their safety as they blow up the infidels in their underprotected vehicles. Let's pray for our holy "freedom fighters" as they shoot and kill the Cristian hoards with insufficent body armor!! Most of all great Allah, get the Chrictian hoards the hell out of here and make them go back to their own country.

Tico, what a great idea!! Great Post Tico!

Anon

You should feel free to pray for whomever and whatever you wish to, AV.

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Anon-Voter wrote:

What a wonderful idea ... perhaps if we start praying to the all-powerful, all knowing Allah for the sacred "freedom fighters" in Iraq that are protecting their country from the Christian Crusade. Let us pray for their safety as they kill the Christian infidels to protect their country, their "GOD", and their culture, their way of life. Let's all pray to the great Allah for their safety as they blow up the infidels in their underprotected vehicles. Let's pray for our holy "freedom fighters" as they shoot and kill the Cristian hoards with insufficent body armor!! Most of all great Allah, get the Chrictian hoards the hell out of here and make them go back to their own country.

Tico, what a great idea!! Great Post Tico!

Anon

Why "God" though? It's simply God. After all, isn't it the same God as the Christian God? It should be, as Islam, Judaism, and Christianity all developed from the same tradition, have the same roots... At least in theory, no? I'm actually curious whether it is so - this is not an area I'd claim to know much about. History would suggest so, methinks.

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Ticomaya wrote:

You must have a different concept of "public prayer" than I do.

Indeed, my understanding of my native language is such that i don't consider that more than one individual acting in concert is incompatible with the use of the adjective private.

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Dasha, you are correct in asserting that all members of the religions of the Abrahamic tradition (i.e., Jews, Christians and Muslims) purport that they refer to the same unique deity.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Tico,

I tried pointing out to Setanta that it was the prayer for show Christ was talking about.

You are so right, I can't believe every church in the world would be praying if it were meant we must never pray in public.

Thanx so much for the encouragement!

Husker,

kudos!

I don't know, mama. Church is different, Church is where people go for the purpose of praying. Now knowledge exchange forum, on the other hand, certainly is not. Even in church prayer is an individual enterprise. The learned man is there to help, he know the scripture, etc... but I would expect that the core of the prayer is still very private. Of course church also has many valuable social aspects, but those are, from my lay perspective, secondary (or at least they should be, in ideal world, right?) - for faith is a personal relationship with God, not something for show.

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