Case #503 against blind faith--Stem Cell Research

Yeah,

I didn't think you'd like that post much. Figures. And please, do not address me as MOAN. I do not moan.

I deliberately posted that using your own words. I guess you just can't understand there are more than just religious reasons a person might vote? I guess you can't understand our side of the coin, huh?

Or is it just that I wouldn't vote your way; thereby being ignorant?

Momma Angel wrote:

Yeah,

I didn't think you'd like that post much. Figures. And please, do not address me as MOAN. I do not moan.

I deliberately posted that using your own words. I guess you just can't understand there are more than just religious reasons a person might vote? I guess you can't understand our side of the coin, huh?

Or is it just that I wouldn't vote your way; thereby being ignorant?

Actually, I think MOAN is most appropriate. I must agree with Setanta!

I don't care if you can't think of anything on your own and need to pillage mine. Feel free!! Vote as you may, feel free. It's just too bad we don't have someone in the Presidency that understands the concept of separation of Church and State either. By legislating Christianity as the law of the land, you force us all to practice your supertitious dogma. One can only hope that the Christains soon realize what a fool Bush is making out them.

Feel free to pillage this post also if you need to! You have my permission since it only shows your inability to come up with your own thoughts.

Anon

Anon-Voter wrote:

I am not the only one that believes what I do. I do consider blind faith ignorance of sorts. Like I say Momma, preach and pray all you want ... just as long as you don't let it go beyond that. If that floats your boat, sail on! When you want to start affecting others with your superstitions and dogma, then it's time to call it what it is. When you want to start making it the law of the land, that's when I get testy. Don't make me live by your silly superstitions. Go shake your tambourine somewhere that you're not damaging the rest of us.

Anon

So you need to pillage also? I guess like minds and all that. OK, you may also have permission to pillage my posts for the same reasons as I stipulated for MOAN. Knock youself out!

Don't make others live by your illogical ramblings either.

I'm not ... feel free NOT to use the benefits of stem cell research! Nobody is saying that you must take advantage of the advances that are made!

Go shake your rattling head somewhere that you're not damaging anyone else.

Did my head rattle? I thought that was your mouth floppin'!!

When you want to make killing an innocent life the law of the land that's when I get just as testy.

Not taking innocent lifes, just using that which is doomed to destruction anyway! Rather see it used that be discarded as biohazard waste.

Now, we can zing these back and forth all day and night, or you can try to come up with a reason why it's ok for you to decide whether an innocent party lives or dies.

Not taking innocent lifes, just using that which is doomed to destruction anyway! Rather see it used that be discarded as biohazard waste.
By the way, just to correct you incorrect statement, I did not say I would make the decision about abortion. I let the woman carrying the child MAKE THE DECISION, something you are unwilling to do!!

If you want to sacrifice your OWN body and give it's stem cells to researchers, that's fine by me. But when you take another's body to the blender and sell the remaining pieces to the lab, it's wrong. Comprende?

Not taking innocent lifes, just using that which is doomed to destruction anyway! Rather see it used that be discarded as biohazard waste.
By the way, just to correct you incorrect statement, I did not say I would make the decision about abortion. I let the woman carrying the child MAKE THE DECISION, something you are unwilling to do!!

You've seen sick folks suffer? So have I. The solution is not to kill someone else to try to fix it.

Not taking innocent lifes, just using that which is doomed to destruction anyway! Rather see it used that be discarded as biohazard waste.
By the way, just to correct you incorrect statement, I did not say I would make the decision about abortion. I let the woman carrying the child MAKE THE DECISION, something you are unwilling to do!!


You've got a blind faith of your own, you just can't see it.

You know what? I do not ever recall one single time there being anything on the ballots about legislating Christianity as the law of the land.

Momma Angel wrote:

Anon-Voter wrote:

echi wrote:

Anon-Voter--

So, then there's the old question that if life begins at birth, do you think it's fine to abort a nine month old fetus? Is it the same as aborting one at nine weeks, or do you draw a line somewhere?

I do draw a line ... when it starts breathing on it's own. I suggest you direct your efforts to those that are here and quit worrying about blobs of cells.

Anon

So, two seconds before a child is born, it's not a child but just a blob of cells? Are you serious?

Deadly serious! How many African babies have you adopted to keep them from dying excrutiating painful deaths?

Anon

Abortion is murder, by some definitions of the word. Yes, a living thing is dying.
My question is, so what?
'Rights' and 'justice' aren't inherant, they are arbitrarily given and taken away by those in power. Human life has no inherant value but what we give it.

Anon-Voter wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:

Anon-Voter wrote:

echi wrote:

Anon-Voter--

So, then there's the old question that if life begins at birth, do you think it's fine to abort a nine month old fetus? Is it the same as aborting one at nine weeks, or do you draw a line somewhere?

I do draw a line ... when it starts breathing on it's own. I suggest you direct your efforts to those that are here and quit worrying about blobs of cells.

Anon

So, two seconds before a child is born, it's not a child but just a blob of cells? Are you serious?

Deadly serious! How many African babies have you adopted to keep them from dying excrutiating painful deaths?

Anon

And here folks, we have someone who obviousy hasn't graduated from their 'blob' of cells stage yet. :wink:

kickycan wrote:

real life wrote:

kickycan wrote:

First of all, let's dispense with this ridiculous bit.

real life wrote:

For those who doubt that an embryo with 150 cells is a living human being, I ask, how many cells does it require to be a living human being?

First of all, thanks for making my point. If not for god, you would never bring up such an inane argument like this. Your religious belief is impeding your ability to think rationally, and therefore is a roadblock to the kind of real ethical debate that might be able to take place on this issue otherwise.

Oh, and to answer your question, here's a simple test. If you can squash the f*cking thing into nothingness using less than your thumb, it's not a living human being. I know this because it says so in my bible.

Nice dodge. So how many cells DOES it require to be a living human being?

kickycan wrote:

real life wrote:

The point was discussed a bit earlier that the differences between adult stem cell research and embryonic stem cell research were often IMO intentionally ignored by those who want to accuse pro-life folks of being against ALL stem cell research (untrue) or those who want funding for embryonic stem cell research by riding on the coattails of successful adult stem cell research.

And the reason you keep bringing up adult stem cell research is not totally based on the fact that you believe, on an irrational religious basis, that they are, in fact, a living human being?

I could care less how much more successful adult stem cell research has been thus far. The point is that embryonic stem cell research has the potential to be even more valuable[/u], but because of all the white noise coming from the religious world, there can't even be a real reasoned debate about the ethics of it.

That is my point, which you have so nicely helped me clarify. Thanks.

(emphasis mine)

Again you hype your product but provide no proof. I hope you don't try to make a living in the sales profession.

And yeah, it is being debated. You just don't like the results of the debate. Unless your opposition rolls over and plays dead, you kick and scream and shout 'unfair unfair'.

You want to join the debate? Prove your assertion that embryonic stem cell research has greater potential than adult stem cell research without simply parroting someone else's assertion that it is so.

You want to join the debate? Prove your assertion that the embryo is not a living human being by telling us at what point he becomes one. How many cells does it require to achieve the status of 'living human being' in your world, Kickycan?

Again you miss my point.

Faith clouds the issue so that a reasoned debate can't be had.

It doesn't matter much what I think about when a human life becomes a human life. For purposes of this argument, I could care less whether a human life begins at the point of conception, or whether it is at the point of the first heartbeat, or whether it is when the doctor slaps it's gooey little ass in the delivery room. The point is, we should determine this stuff without the mumbo jumbo of religion muddying up the waters.

The point you started the thread with was that 150 cells did not constitute a human life.

That was the whole foundation of your argument.

So, tell us, how many cells DOES it require to be a living human being?

Glad to hear it.

Now, what about the other part of my post? You going to show me where it says what I can and cannot base my decision to vote on?

I do not agree with stem cell research. So, I would not vote for it. Black and white, plain and simple.

Stem cell research utilizes cells from a blastocyst, which is a cluster of up to 150 embryonic cells, that could potentially be of use in the treatment of spinal cord injuries, cancer, blindness, heart and muscle damage, among others.

It is my contention that the only reason the U.S. government has not already jumped at the chance to fund research in this area is because of belief in the invisible man in the sky, and the thought that this cluster of 150 cells--smaller than the tip of your eyelash, this little bundle of cells--is a little person. Blind faith, once again getting in the way of science and possible advances that might save thousands of lives. Blind faith, rearing it's ugly head and once again f*cking up our world.

How many people will die this year alone, because of this stunting of progress by those who follow blindly the ridiculous tenets of their religious foolishness?

150 cells is a human life. Gimme a f*cking break.