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It's the 25th of Kislev ...

 
 
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 07:48 pm
very nice dinner we had. Lotsa veggies and the lottkes were kinda the main dish.
We brought all sorts of dippy condiments that the hostess pre -approved and was happy we brought them.

My wife knitted the scarves and they were presented when we left (we were the last to go and were hellping cleanup)

I could be a Jew, its a philosophy as much as it is a religion, maybe its a religion who"s "parishioners" have grown out of the need for a God in many cases. Its got a religious tradition thats been haggled by centuries of backbreaking interpretation. I love the mind games it takes to be A Jew, AND , to me the most important thing is, None of this heaven/hell **** . The rules are a little inane, . I dont think I could keep kosher with all these oysters in a cream chowder.
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lmur
 
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Reply Wed 28 Dec, 2005 07:53 pm
Had latkes tonight myself. They're called "boxty" here.

Maybe we're kosher katoliks.
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jespah
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2005 06:52 am
Hey, go fer it. Kosher's only necessary if you're leaning to Orthodox-land. I was brought up kosher but my folks are a lot laxer than they were then. We don't keep kosher (we don't have pork and beef in the house because I don't eat them, less to do with religion than to do with food restrictions, but we don't make sure the chicken or turkey is kosher, although we should more for health reasons than anything else), my brother does, it's all good.

Smile

lmur, if the lion and the lamb lie down together, doesn't the meerkat get jealous?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2005 06:57 am
Meerkats are INSATIABLE.
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lmur
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2005 07:30 am
jespah wrote:


lmur, if the lion and the lamb lie down together, doesn't the meerkat get jealous?


Not if he's got a h-h-horny toad to fool around with...
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jespah
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2005 07:47 am
I shudder to think what the children will look like.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 6 Dec, 2006 09:56 am
I was thinking of starting a new topic, checked first to see if there was one already, this seems to be it....

Sozlet wants to celebrate Hanukkah this year. I'm half-Jewish but the Jewish half (my dad) was never interested in any of this stuff and so I never celebrated Hanukkah. (We visited my paternal grandma every spring so I know about Passover from celebrating it with her, that's about it.)

I have a menorah. I have candles. Can anyone kind of summarize the high points, things that a kid would enjoy and have the most meaning? (I'll re-read this thread, meanwhile...)
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 6 Dec, 2006 09:59 am
OK, re-read, helpful! Maybe we'll get a dreidel. We always get gelt.

Starts on December 16th this year.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 6 Dec, 2006 10:01 am
One question:

Jes wrote:
Nun = you get nothing if the dreidel lands that way
Gimel = you get the entire pot
Heh = you get half of the pot
Sham = you share one token, candy or penny (whatever is the smallest unit of what you're betting) with all of your fellow players

From left to right, in the above picture, are the Shin, Heh, Gimel and Nun.


Sham = Shin?

Also, couldja give me a pronunciation guide? (Anyone.)

Thanks!
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Roberta
 
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Reply Wed 6 Dec, 2006 12:09 pm
Soz, Like all Jewish holidays, Chanukah starts the night before the first full day of the holiday. So this year the first night is December 15.

Sorry I can't help with the pronunciation of the letters on the dreidl.
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ul
 
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Reply Wed 6 Dec, 2006 12:57 pm
http://www.ou.org/chagim/chanukah/default.htm

http://www.schechter.edu/pubs/insight30.htm

I used these sites when I had to prepare a lesson plan about Chanukah. Maybe you can find something there.
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George
 
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Reply Wed 6 Dec, 2006 12:58 pm
What, no one's been here to accuse you of stealing this holiday from the Canaanites?
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Wed 6 Dec, 2006 05:00 pm
Soz--

Perhaps I'm out of line here, but I'd feel uncomfortable about adopting the showy bits of Jewish holiday for one week in the year and ignoring the ethics and practice of the Jewish faith for the other fifty one weeks.

Perhaps your candle-lighting would be deeper and more meaningful than my assumptions.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 6 Dec, 2006 05:22 pm
I know what you mean, and it's an interesting question.

One thing that is evident from ul's very informative links (thanks!) is that Hanukkah is minorly about religion and majorly about traditions, spending time with family as a thing in and of itself, etc.

I am not religiously Jewish but I am culturally very Jewish, and it's hard to know where some of these things stop and start. For example, reverence for education and learning (on an ongoing basis) are integral to both Jewish culture and religion. That's something we practice year-round. We kiss books if we happen to drop them (a practice I learned from my Jewish grandma) -- is that culture or religion? I dunno.

I'm more concerned with getting the religious details of Passover right, as it has a great deal more significance. (And we haven't attempted that.) Hanukkah is more like... hmm... Valentine's Day maybe. (Jes, Roberta? What would you say is the closest Christian equivalent?) It's fun, but it's not a huge deal religiously. Certainly not an actual equivalent to Christmas, though due to timing they're often cast as equivalents.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 6 Dec, 2006 05:27 pm
Me 'n' Veronica wish you all happy chanukah.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 6 Dec, 2006 05:32 pm
(OK not Valentine's Day, maybe Thanksgiving if it had a religious basis of some sort. I dunno!)

Back atcha Edgar. (Is there an actual Veronica or is that just a snazzy rhyme?)
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 6 Dec, 2006 05:35 pm
Veronica is the name on some novelty song about it.
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Roberta
 
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Reply Wed 6 Dec, 2006 06:34 pm
Maybe Purim, Soz. A nice holiday filled with lovely tradition, but not a high holiday. I could be wrong. Your education on such matters and mine are not that far removed from each other.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Wed 6 Dec, 2006 07:12 pm
I can see the little top--and the betting with gelt, but the candles....

Life is complicated for ethical sophisticates.

I like kissing the dropped book. Revering knowledge should be universal.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 6 Dec, 2006 07:40 pm
It should.

I do get your reticence here. When I consult the ghost of my grandmother (metaphorically of course) she expresses delight that I'm exposing her culture to her great-grandchild, though she's annoyed she's not there to do it right.
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