neologist wrote:pantheism?
Pantheism is the notion that god is everything, and that we are all a 'part' of god.
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So, in the end, peace from within, can give you some form of temporary peace, but it is, I think, just not enough! You must make peace with your milieu as well. Peace from within is a condition for redemption, but not redemption itself.
Balderdash. The only peace is that which you give yourself, it's all in your mind.
JLNobody wrote:Neologist asks about subsets. Dok, answers that the only significant distinction is between "in here" and "out there". I would suggest that within the "in here" set there may be a significant difference between "ego-oriented" (Satanists) and ego-rejecting mystics (e.g., zen buddhists).
I would classify buddhists as RHP too. They may not have 'god' as the christians know it, but they meet all the other requirements. After all, 'karma' is VERY problematic without an arbiter, and reincarnation is even moreso.
They see man as something to be rejected (ego) rather than embraced.
Momma Angel wrote:Doktor S,
So, in order to be a Satanist, you give up the concept of right and wrong?
Right and wrong are subjective, there is no measurable objective scale of 'good' and 'evil'. These things are only perceptions. Even if 1 million people agree on what right and wrong are, all you have is 1 million individuals making up their minds (invariably based on the ideas of yet another man)
Or, as Dr. LaVey was fond of saying, "good is what you like, evil is what you don't like"
Dkotor S,
I cannot agree with you on this. There are things that are just right or wrong no matter what anyone thinks about them.
To me, it just sounds like with Satanism you can justify anything or any type of behavior?
I can disregard my responsibility to God if I choose to do so. That makes me the supreme authority when it comes to my own behavior.
However, there may be consequences.
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Dkotor S,
I cannot agree with you on this. There are things that are just right or wrong no matter what anyone thinks about them.
I agree that there are things that the overwhelming majority of people would 'agree' was wrong, but that doesn't make them wrong.
There are sometimes 'other' reasons behind our formula for distinguishing right from wrong besides those that are learned, and I see these to be biologically seated. Things such as 'murder', 'rape' , the harm of a child, 'theft', 'incest'. Notice these are all traits that are bad for 'the group'. Avoiding these behaviors are beneficial from an evolutionary standpoint.
Wiring.
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To me, it just sounds like with Satanism you can justify anything or any type of behavior?
No, not really. There are a lot of checks and balances in Satanism. The 9 Satanic sins and the 11 rules of the earth, primarily.
9 Satanic sins? Could you list them?
neologist wrote:I can disregard my responsibility to God if I choose to do so. That makes me the supreme authority when it comes to my own behavior.
However, there may be consequences.
Yes, but you will still act and think as if there was a god;your whole paradigm rests on it. You couldn't 'turn off' the notion of external deities any more than I could suddenly gain faith in them.
But anyway, atheism and autotheism are NOT the same thing, even though the concept of personal responsibility applies to each. Deifying ones own ego is a non stop intellectual and psychological process that goes far far beyond rejecting spirituality and deities.
Dok, I would agree that Buddhism, the popular religion practiced throughout asia conforms to a large extent with your notion of an RHP religion. But Zen is very different, not to be described in terms of the concepts, karma and reincarnation.
I still can't understand how there wouldn't be subsets based one's concept of free will.
Momma Angel wrote:Doktor S,
So, you essentially broke the law and lied about someone to get what you wanted?
Yea, Just like George Bush ... Reborn Christian!
Howard became Anton and lied a whole Anton life. What happed to Howards ego. Was Howard not good enough for howard? Was Howard not good enough for Satanism? Satanism is Nietzsche is the founder.
Amigo, would you do me a favor and include a little more info so I can figure out what the heck you are talking about?
The ego is your god. The founder of the satanic church was born Howard LeVay but cnanged his name to Anton and with it fabricated a whole life with it. A mythical life to support Satanism. I wonder what happen to Howards ego, a northern califonia boy.
Acordding to Renger redbeard the meek are all thrashed wheat. Might is right, but might is right leaves one man standing and that one man falls to Satan. To Satan we are all thrashed wheat. A circle of men each using there streanths over eachothers weaknesses. There will always be a man stronger then yourself. Like the guy Dokter had fired for crumbs. We trade our souls for earthly crumbs. Howard Levay was always good enough he just never realised it.
Right before niezsche (I can't spell) went insane he was watching a horse get whipped he threw his arms around the horse. Was that his act of altruism? The money Dokter works for is printed by a stronger man then him and that man laghs at us because he and we are thrashed wheat or the whipped horse.
Amigo wrote:The ego is your god. The founder of the satanic church was born Howard LeVay but changed his name to Anton and with it fabricated a whole life with it. A mythical life to support Satanism. I wonder what happen to Howards ego, a northern California boy.
According to Renger redbeard the meek are all thrashed wheat. Might is right, but might is right leaves one man standing and that one man falls to Satan. To Satan we are all thrashed wheat. A circle of men each using there strengths over each other's weaknesses. There will always be a man stronger then yourself. Like the guy Dokter had fired for crumbs. We trade our souls for earthly crumbs. Howard Levay was always good enough he just never realised it.
Right before niezsche (I can't spell) went in sane he was watching a horse get whipped he through his arms around the horse. Was that his act of altruism. The money Dokter works for is printed by a stronger man then him because he and we are thrashed wheat or the whipped horse
I used the spell check feature to clarify your post. (items italicized). You can lean how to spell Nietzsche by typing his name into Google for automatic correction.
The reason I did this is because you have obfuscated what seems to be a valid point with your careless composition. (There are still a few homonyms; but we can live with that.)
I find the wheat analogy interesting. As Jesus said in Luke 22: 31: "Simon, Simon, look! Satan has demanded to have YOU men to sift YOU as wheat."
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BTW, I just Googled LeVay. He seems a real piece of work.
Such nonsense...
Yes LaVey ( not levay) Was Born Howard Levy. So what?
The man is the subject of a lot of ad-hom attacks from those without the intellectual fortitude to touch the philosophy. Right amigo?
If you had a clue what Satanic philosophy, specifically lesser magic was all about, you could see the life of Anton LaVey conformed seamlessly with the philosophy he espoused. You say he was a con man? a charlatan? He embellished? And?
What is your point amigo?
You seem clueless.
"The stong must ever rule the weak in grim primordial Law on earth's broad racial threshing floor, the meek are beaten straw; Ten ride to power o'er foemen's neck, let nothing bar your way if you are fit you'll rule and rein is the logic of to-day." -Ragner Redbeard AKA Athur desmond
Why do you defend LaVey. He's nothing. His philosophy religion can stand without him as all truth can stand without any god or religion.
What if I told you the 1% most powerful men on the planet are descendent of this philosophy and that you are their slave. That you are the beaten straw to them and they are the beaten straw to Satan and you are obedient to them only by your own arrogance and ego. LaVey nor any of us are wrong or right fully.
There once was a devoted priest who wished to see both
heaven and hell, and God gave way to his pleading.
The priest found himself before a door which bore no name. He trembled as he saw it open before him into a large room where all was prepared for a feast. There was a table, and at its centre a great dish of steaming food. The smell and the aroma inflamed the appetite.
Diners sat around the table with great spoons in their hands, yet they were shrieking with hunger in that terrible place. They tried to feed themselves, and gave up, cursing God, for the spoons that God had provided were so long that they could not reach their faces and get the food to their tongues. So they starved, while their dish of plenty lay amongst them. The priest knew their screams were the cries of hell, and as this understanding came, the door closed before him.
He shut his eyes in prayer and begged God to take him away from that terrible place. When he opened them again, he despaired, for the same door stood before him, the door that bore no name. Again it opened, and it gave onto the same room. Nothing had changed, and he was about to cry in horror. There was the table, and at its centre the steaming dish, and around it were the same people, and in their hands the same spoons.
Yet the shrieking had gone, and the cries and the curses had changed to blessings; and nothing had changed, yet everything. For with the same long spoons they reached to each-other's mouths and fed one another, and they gave thanks to God.
And as the priest heard the blessings, the door closed. He fell to his knees, and he too blessed God who had shown him the nature of heaven and hell, and the chasm - a hair's breadth wide - that divides them.
