Liberal Hypocrisy about Intelligent Design

neologist wrote:

No matter how hard you work at it, 'the wage sin pays is death.'

I understand what you are saying, however, with the coming of the new covenant, we practice the spirit of the law rather than the letter and our punishments are not judged and met until the second coming of christ when the world ends. (least that is how I understand it) If the kingdom now is a spiritual kingdom and lives within us as the new testament states, why do we need world laws to obey them? You can guide a horse to water but you can't make it drink, so it makes no sense to have world laws to enforce a spiritual kingdom.

That is how I understand it from a religious standpoint. From a government standpoint, I simply think it is unfair to make others be held accountable for beliefs they might not believe in. Not letting someone marry simply because it is a sin according to the Bible is enforcing a religious belief on someone else. (as just one example)

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revel,

Yes, it the spiritual world we must be most concerned with, but we do have to live in the physical world. So, we must be concerned with it's conduct, as it effects each and every one of us.

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MA is wrong again. We must be concerned with our personal conduct, and not so much with other people's conduct. The laws of any country will limit behavior of everybody. Why do you care of somebody in Finland, two girls or two boys, wish to marry? What concern is it of yours? How does their marriage impact your life? How will you impose your religious beliefs on them?

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Momma Angel wrote:

revel,

Yes, it the spiritual world we must be most concerned with, but we do have to live in the physical world. So, we must be concerned with it's conduct, as it effects each and every one of us.

There are lots of sin (as those who believe in the Bible consider it) in the world committed by people in the world. Yet I don't see hordes of people trying to get laws passed against having consensual sexual relations outside of marriage or adultery or many other sins that people commit in the world. It is not consistent to try and legislate one sin and not all sins.

And CI is right, how does another person's sins effect another person? I will still be me no matter how the rest of the world is. If it is just bad influences there are bad influences all around us in other ways than just homosexuality. And again it comes down to the fact we have no right to force our beliefs of morality onto other people through the laws and courts of the land.

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how does another person's sins effect another person?

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I have not yet laid bets on any dog in this fight--but this answer is easy.

If one person pees in the pool, are we not all standing in urine?

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Cicerone Imposter Wrote:

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MA is wrong again. We must be concerned with our personal conduct, and not so much with other people's conduct. The laws of any country will limit behavior of everybody. Why do you care of somebody in Finland, two girls or two boys, wish to marry? What concern is it of yours? How does their marriage impact your life? How will you impose your religious beliefs on them?

I am not talking about doing anything about any other laws but in the United States. Since I am an American citizen I have the right and duty (IMO) to vote what I believe is right. You have the same right.

I have already explained my position on this many times. You want what you want and I want what I want. You don't want me imposing my religious beliefs on you and I don't want you imposing your immoral belief on me. Now, how do you like it? To you what I am doing is wrong because I do it because of my religious beliefs. If the Bible says it is immoral and you are saying it's ok, then yes, that appears to me to be an immoral belief. It doesn't mean, that because you do one thing I consider immoral, that you are immoral, does it? We all sin.

Not consistent, revel? How can we legislate every sin (immorality or wrong or whatever you want to call it) when the rights and wrongs cannot even be agreed upon? How up in arms would you (not literal sense) be if a prison sentence was given to those that lie? In many states, there are laws against adultery. They may not be enforced, but there are laws. There are laws against pologamy.

Oh, I see. Since there are other bad influences out there why should we worry about one more? Maybe, just maybe ignoring that first bad influence was a mistake. So many bad influences add up until bad influences may some day take over.

Lash,

Love it. But, I would imagine they will just tell some of us to get out of the pool

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By what right to you describe C.I.'s belief as immoral? Did god die and leave you in charge? What disgusting hypocricy and conceit.

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Perhaps by the same right that he has to call my beliefs idiotic or comical?

I Wrote:

[quote]Now, how do you like it? To you what I am doing is wrong because I do it because of my religious beliefs. If the Bible says it is immoral and you are saying it's ok, then yes, that appears to me to be an immoral belief. It doesn't mean, that because you do one thing I consider immoral, that you are immoral, does it? We all sin.[/quote]

You seem awfully quick to judge, Setanta. I explained it in that statement of mine. Now, if you can't see it, I am sorry. Don't you see that I prefaced that with NOW, HOW DO YOU LIKE IT? Get a grip, would you. Try reading the whole thing and not just the part you feel you can point out as hypocrisy. So, should I call you a hypocrite because you point out MY statement of C.I.'s belief being immoral, wrong, etc. and yet you didn't say a word to HIM about saying I am wrong? Get a mirror.

If the truth be known Setanta, we are all hypocrites in one way or another. Anytime any of us point out a wrong another has done, we are hypocrites because we all have done wrong. So, you can just keep that word to yourself because you have used it so much it's watered down.

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I once shot a man just because I thought he was a hypocrite.

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Well dys, better load that gun up again, because like I said, I think we can all be considered a hypocrite every now and then, don't you?

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nope.

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You have never told anyone they were wrong for doing something? Never?

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revel wrote:

I understand what you are saying, however, with the coming of the new covenant, we practice the spirit of the law rather than the letter and our punishments are not judged and met until the second coming of christ when the world ends. (least that is how I understand it) If the kingdom now is a spiritual kingdom and lives within us as the new testament states, why do we need world laws to obey them? You can guide a horse to water but you can't make it drink, so it makes no sense to have world laws to enforce a spiritual kingdom.

If Christians practiced their religion in the manner described above, there would be much less friction between the religious and non-religious than we get with the self righteous attitude exhibited below, as if what others do in their own bedrooms imposes anything upon her.

Momma Angel wrote:

I have already explained my position on this many times. You want what you want and I want what I want. You don't want me imposing my religious beliefs on you and I don't want you imposing your immoral belief on me. Now, how do you like it? To you what I am doing is wrong because I do it because of my religious beliefs. If the Bible says it is immoral and you are saying it's ok, then yes, that appears to me to be an immoral belief. It doesn't mean, that because you do one thing I consider immoral, that you are immoral, does it? We all sin.

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Of course I have, does that make me a hypocrite?

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Mesquite's post brings back to mind another piquant bit of idiocy in MOAN's post . . .

"We all sin."

No, only the adherents of the imaginary friend superstition are capable of sin. Sin is a transgression against god. To assert that i sin, for example, is the logical equivalent of saying that i transgress against the tooth fairy . . .

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I sinned against the tooth fairy. I gave one of my kids a half dollar for a tooth, but a year later, gave another one a dollar.

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I once stuck a firecracker up the ass of the tooth fairy. Was that a sin?

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Mortal sins, both . . . you will all roast in dental Hell . . .

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well, I will be in excellent company.

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MA wants to impose her interpretation of "immoral" based on her misunderstanding of what that entails. She can't accept the simple fact that two people in love should not be allowed to particiate in sexual acts in the privacy of their own bedroom.
She talks about "morals" as if she has a monopoly other people's morals. In her attempts to intrude into other people's bedrooms, she thinks she's a saint for her "moral" standing.

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