Liberal Hypocrisy about Intelligent Design

They love the homosexual, but do not want them to have equal rights under the laws of this country. That's the reason why trying to discuss this issue with MA is a hopeless one.

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Mesquite,

I don't mind discussing this topic if we keep the love and caring part out of it, ok? I have stated that I believe the act of homosexuality (the sexual act itself) is the sin and I just don't know about how God views the feelings of a person on this. But, the Bible says this:

1 Corinthians 6:9 - [9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
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A true act of love is treating someone with respect and kindness even though they know you do not approve of their lifestyle and/or choice. That, to me, is hating the sin and loving the sinner.

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C.I.,

It may be hopeless to you because I disagree with you. But, is it hopeless to try to understand another person for believing the way they do?

Is it hopeless to care enough about people to try to understand where they are also coming from?

I think the only way hopelessness rears it's ugly head is when cannot agree to disagree peaceably.

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No, it's hopeless because your writings contradict what you say from one time to the next. If you truly love homosexuals, why do you wish to deny them equal rights that you have?

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There are many christian sinners (but not their sin) that you must also love, but do not try to deny them their equal rights under the law - or do you?

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Wolf_O'Donnel Wrote:

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Ah, but you said you were against the act of homosexual sex and that was why you were against homosexual marriage. Or at least, that was the impression I got.

Now you're invoking a religious text for your argument. That is a religious argument against making homosexual marriage a legality. Therefore any changes to the law based solely on that argument is a violation of the Constitution.

Just so you know, before I became a Christian, I believed homosexuality was wrong. My Christian faith reinforced that belief, but I already had it, so it is not based solely on that argument.

And Wolf, what do you base your votes on? Don't you base your votes on doing what you believe is the right thing? The way you stated that comment, it seems I shouldn't be able to vote at all if I can't vote without taking my religious beliefs into account.

Cicerone Imposter Wrote:

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No, it's hopeless because your writings contradict what you say from one time to the next. If you truly love homosexuals, why do you wish to deny them equal rights that you have?

I am beginning to think I have given you more credit for understanding than I should have. I contradict nothing. I stand by what I say. I tell you why I say it and why I believe it.

If you cannot understand me or what I say, then you cannot understand me or what I say. I am doing just fine discussing this with others.

At least they show enough respect to allow me my right to believe what I believe without criticizing or laughing at me. They show respect. I wish I could say the same thing for you.

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Well if you want to take Paul's word for it, but even then I do not see a condemnation of the condition unless you have a problem with Betty and Sue being effeminate.

Now you are saying that you want to leave "love and caring" out of a discussion about marriage. Now we are bringing lifestyle and/or choice into the mix? What particular part of the lifestyle do you disagree with? Are Betty and Sue sloppy housekeepers? Do they carouse shady establishments?

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mesquite, Can't you see what I mean about trying to discuss anything with ma?

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c.i., homophobia is a common affliction, but like racism it does not hold up under scrutiny and needs to be exposed for what it is.

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J_B wrote:

...what can you do today that you wouldn't be able to do tomorrow if these marriages took place?

I didn't see an answer to this question, MA. The rest of the comments you've made on this issue indicate that it would make you uncomfortable. Other than living with discomfort that someone has a lifestyle that you don't agree with (which they have already), what can you do today that you wouldn't be able to do tomorrow if these marriages took place?

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Mesquite,

I am talking about why I would lobby and vote against same sex marriage. I am talking about the sexual act being a sin. Now, since I believe the sexual act is a sin, why in the world would I agree to same sex marriage laws? That, would be pretty hypocritical of me, wouldn't it? True, there may not be sex in some of the marriages, but I would bet it's safe to say there would be sex in some of them.

Cicerone Imposter Wrote:

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There are many christian sinners (but not their sin) that you must also love, but do not try to deny them their equal rights under the law - or do you?

Are you serious about this question? You have learned nothing of me at all since I came to A2K, have you? I call everyone that attacks, Christian or not, remember? Ask Intrepid, ask Real Life, ask Phoenix. They will tell you that I am not for Christianity at all costs. I am for compromise and I stick to my principles. I know plenty of Christians that are pro-choice. Does that answer your question?

Cicerone Imposter Wrote:

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mesquite, Can't you see what I mean about trying to discuss anything with ma?

And, I suppose I could say the same thing about you or anyone else that disagrees with me. But, I prefer to think that they just believe in what they say and are sticking to their principles, just as I do.

Mesquite Wrote:

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c.i., homophobia is a common affliction, but like racism it does not hold up under scrutiny and needs to be exposed for what it is.

Excuse me? Mesquite, I am disappointed. Just because I believe differently than you, I am now labeled homophobic? What do you call someone who labels you a specific thing because they disagree with you? So much for feeling safe discussing things with you.

J_B Wrote:

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I didn't see an answer to this question, MA. The rest of the comments you've made on this issue indicate that it would make you uncomfortable. Other than living with discomfort that someone has a lifestyle that you don't agree with (which they have already), what can you do today that you wouldn't be able to do tomorrow if these marriages took place?

J_B, I don't recall stating there would be anything different today than tomorrow. I have made my position clear on this. I believe it is wrong. Therefore, I am going to stick to my principles and vote my conscience.

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MA keeps insisteing it's about "belief," even though we continue to remind her repeatedly that it's about her political view of denying a group of Americans equal rights.

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C.I.,

Let me flat out ask you a question. If there were some law on the floor to be voted on and you disagreed with that law for whatever reason, would you vote for it or not?

Simple question. Requires just a yes or no.

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Momma Angel wrote:

J_B Wrote:

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I didn't see an answer to this question, MA. The rest of the comments you've made on this issue indicate that it would make you uncomfortable. Other than living with discomfort that someone has a lifestyle that you don't agree with (which they have already), what can you do today that you wouldn't be able to do tomorrow if these marriages took place?

J_B, I don't recall stating there would be anything different today than tomorrow. I have made my position clear on this. I believe it is wrong. Therefore, I am going to stick to my principles and vote my conscience.

I think the question was, how would it be more uncomfortable for you to have, say, Betty and Sue living together next door and having sex with each other within marriage, than having Betty and Sue living together next door and having sex with each other outside of marriage?

After all, the second thing is already possible, and from what you've said I gather you don't want to have it forbidden. So thats current reality. The only difference if Betty and Sue would get married is, well, they would still live together, they would still have sex, but they'd do it within marriage. How does that add any discomfort to you?

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If it had anything to do with discrimination against any group in the US, I would not vote for it. Homophobic bigots upsets and angers me the same as racial bigots.

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nimh,

I do not know how to explain it any better than I already have. I believe homosexuality is wrong. I don't believe I should gay bash because of it. Since I believe it is wrong, I am not going to vote for anything that would make it legal. It's that simple.

And C.I.,

So, what would you call me because I think telling a lie is wrong? What would you call me because I think murder is wrong? What would you call me because I think stealing is wrong? Would you attribute these things to bigotry also?

IMO, the worse bigot there is is the one against truth. Who has the whole truth? I don't. Do you?

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Your truth based on the bible is fiction; something you will never admit.

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You equate homosexual love to lying, theft and murder . . . how very charming an expression of your christian charity . . .

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Momma Angel wrote:

Mesquite,

I am talking about why I would lobby and vote against same sex marriage. I am talking about the sexual act being a sin. Now, since I believe the sexual act is a sin, why in the world would I agree to same sex marriage laws? That, would be pretty hypocritical of me, wouldn't it? True, there may not be sex in some of the marriages, but I would bet it's safe to say there would be sex in some of them.

Marriage is going to have zip impact on any sexual activity that may or may not take place in a homosexual relationship. Therefore your activities to restrict access to legal and benefit rights do NOTHING to restrict any so called sinning and only go against the segment of homosexuals that wish to have a monogamous and stable relationship. That to me is shameful.

Momma Angel wrote:

Excuse me? Mesquite, I am disappointed. Just because I believe differently than you, I am now labeled homophobic? What do you call someone who labels you a specific thing because they disagree with you? So much for feeling safe discussing things with you.

Would you like to call me a bigot? That might work. I am just calling it the way it appears to me. I think J_B nailed it by noting that the things you listed that affected you were merely things that made you uncomfortable. As often as you bring up the Beatitudes as a guideline, I never see you mention it during a discussion of this subject. Why is that?

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C.I.,

Just can't make a complete stand, can you? Just can't fully commit can you?

I have asked you if you though homosexuality was wrong. I get, it's none of my business. Fine. Never said it was. Just asked what your stand was.

I asked you if you would vote for something you did not agree with. Well, you kind of answered that one. You'd go with the flow.

I think you sit on the fence quite a bit. I don't.

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