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Liberal Hypocrisy about Intelligent Design

 
 
JLNobody
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 11:32 pm
MA, C.I.'s question is well taken. Isn't Satanism a form of religion? Or is it banned from classrooms because it is the WRONG religion, or (from the Christian point of view) a "bad" religion?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 11:49 pm
JLN, Thank you for the clarity made for the sake of MA. My posts can be cryptic.
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real life
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 11:52 pm
lightfoot wrote:
Yes Ma... I agree as well, I go further... by saying, it should be illegal, teaching ANY religion, to ANY child, until the age of 21, an age the mind is no longer swayed by mythology or guessemetics, we would then have freedom from religion.


A real believer in the First Amendment, eh?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 6 Dec, 2005 11:57 pm
JLNobody,

I would imagine that you could consider Satanism a religion. It's probably banned for quite a few reasons, I would imagine. I would think people view Satanism completely differently than they do other religions. It would seem that most religions worship a god that is good. I don't think there are that many that believe Satan is a good guy. Just my opinion.
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 06:24 am
Momma Angel wrote:
JLNobody,

I would imagine that you could consider Satanism a religion. It's probably banned for quite a few reasons, I would imagine. I would think people view Satanism completely differently than they do other religions. It would seem that most religions worship a god that is good. I don't think there are that many that believe Satan is a good guy. Just my opinion.


Maybe you should read up on Satanism. There are many various forms. There's the Hollywood version, which stupid punk kids believe in (that is, Satan is evil, we must be evil etc. etc.) and then there's also the version which is similar to Gnosticism i.e. that God is evil in disguise and Satan was punished for defying an evil God.

But that's oversimplifying things.

This article should give more clarification:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism

I personally don't go into all that junk.

There is only one supernatural entity that I will disbelieve in more than God and that is Satan. If there is a scale of non-existence 1 to 10 with 10 being the highest, God is 1 and Satan is 10.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 06:43 am
Momma Angel wrote:
I don't think there are that many that believe Satan is a good guy.

That's true, but this argument cuts both ways. After reading the Bible, I find it hard to see how anyone can believe God is a good guy. For a quick illustration, take the "Wrath of God" quiz at landoverbaptist.org

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1100/godswrathquiz.html
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 11:55 am
Thomas,

There are those that seemingly refuse to or (perhaps cannot) understand the meshing of the Old Testament and the New Testament.

Christians following the New Testament teachings of Christ. You can hardly call Jesus a "bad guy" in any way.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 12:55 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
Thomas,

There are those that seemingly refuse to or (perhaps cannot) understand the meshing of the Old Testament and the New Testament.

Christians following the New Testament teachings of Christ. You can hardly call Jesus a "bad guy" in any way.

Landoverbaptist also has a quizz called "What did Jesus say". It's an annoying Flash animation, but it makes a plausible point that Jesus can be called a bad guy.

http://www.bettybowers.com/bible.html
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 02:12 pm
Thomas,

Those that would accept what is said on that site does not know the same God/Jesus that I know and understand.
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 02:59 pm
Momma, just so you know, that site is nothing more than a site created to poke fun at Christians.

For your info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landover_Baptist_Church
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 03:13 pm
CoastalRat,

I figured as much. And it seems those that would do such a thing are the first to get upset because a Christian might tell them they are wrong. Go figure.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 03:18 pm
CoastalRat,

I am glad you pointed that out to me. I got jumped on the other and asked why does it seem that those on my side of the fence resort to using flawed, etc., links.

Seems to me, this Land Over Baptist Church link has been used by many trying to prove their point.

I guess the only point made was that it appears both side might be using flawed, etc. links. :wink:
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 03:52 pm
The landover Baptist Church has been discussed on a2k before. Most people know it is a joke.
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Terry
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 04:14 pm
gungasnake wrote:
What it really is, is that the kingdom which God rules over is a spiritual one, and the powers which the spirit world has to act in this physical realm which we live in are very limited.

So do you think that we evolved with little or no actual physical intervention by God?
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mesquite
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 04:17 pm
But Edgar, Landover is linked directly from the Whitehouse website. :wink: Just click on the "Department of Faith" tab.

http://www.whitehouse.org/
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Terry
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 04:18 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
Maybe you should read this again, Terry. My point was not abortion. My point was in the abortion issue the biggest argument seemed to be the taking away of the woman's choice.

I merely pointed out that it appears those that do not want ID taught are taking away someone's choice.

[sigh] There is absolutely no comparison between barring the teaching of ID in public schools only, and barring all abortions, no matter when, where, how, or by whom they are done and funded.

No one is ever going to stop you or your church from teaching your children that God created them, defects and all. You will always have choice when it comes to religion because people like the ACLU ensure that the Bill of Rights is upheld for ALL. If you don't like what is taught in public schools, you can send your kids to private schools or home-school them. You just can't make public schools teach children that religious myths have equal standing with scientific facts.

Now that we have gotten that red herring out of the way, how about answering the REAL question:

Terry wrote:
The question is whether God was an incompetent or unintelligent designer who failed to realize that the pelvic opening needs to be larger than the head which must pass through it, or if he was malicious enough to deliberately make the birth canal too small in order to punish some women with excruciating pain, and refuses to change the design even though it causes millions of innocent babies and mothers to die during childbirth.

Which is it?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 04:23 pm
A wolf in sheep's clothing - comes to mind.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 04:24 pm
Mesquite
I rest my case.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 04:28 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
CoastalRat,

I am glad you pointed that out to me. I got jumped on the other and asked why does it seem that those on my side of the fence resort to using flawed, etc., links.

Seems to me, this Land Over Baptist Church link has been used by many trying to prove their point.

I guess the only point made was that it appears both side might be using flawed, etc. links. :wink:


MA are you comparing a site like Landover that uses satire to make a point, with those such as you offered that use outright lies and deception?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Wed 7 Dec, 2005 05:04 pm
Mesquite,

All I am pointing out is that both sides have posted links with flaws, whether intentionally, as a joke, etc.

Terry,

That appears to be one of those between a rock and a hard place question. The bible says why women will be in pain during childbirth.
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