Liberal Hypocrisy about Intelligent Design

Pain? I think Terri is talking about pain and death of both the baby and mother. Nothing about rocks.

The Bible says ... malicious.

C.I.,

Rocks? What are you referring to?

Mesquite,

Malicious? What are you referring to?


Sorry guys, you kind of lost me here. Care to catch me up?

I was referring to...


Terry's question was roughly "incompetence or malicious intent?"

Thanx, Mesquite.

Terry,

Neither.

It's Eve's fault she was tempted by Devil and ate an apple. Duh...

Therefore our benevolent and ever-loving god punished ALL women ever to come with painful childbirth. Imagine what would have happened if Eve did a Satanic ritual or something. All women would be quadraplegic or soemthing like that.

I highly doubt that any child believes the punishment they receive is fair.

That is the kind of comment that causes me great concern. When a comparison is made to God's punishment of all women forever more, to the punishment of a child for wrong doing.

I can understand that, Mesquite. But if God is on one end of the spectrum and is completely pure do you think he sees sin as just a small infraction? Can you imagine how sin must look to God?

"...god....is competely pure..." ROFLMAO

God is love. God is compassion. God is pure.

All women are sinners. All unborns are sinners. All children are sinners.

God punishes all sinners.

C.I.,

Seems to me awhile back you apologized for making fun of Christianity and Christians. Do you really fancy yourself such a big man that you can belittle someone for something personal about their life? I accepted your apology back then and was actually quite touched by it. Now, I just consider it to be a hypocritical act on your part. Do you belittle and demean others make them feel less than or to make you feel greater than?

typical on your part MA, I know a bit about c.i. we have beeen together several times including a week we spent in europe visiting other a2k friends. c.i. has never belittled others in my presence and in fact is one of the kindest persons I have ever met. your judgement is totally unwarrented in my opinon. He even tolerates me.

Call it what you wish; you'll never understand why the anger of those of us that see the hypocrisy of fundamentalist christians to change our laws to reflect your relgious beliefs creates the divide.

My children are now adults, and they are in little danger of what fundamentalist christians are trying to do to the laws of this land that affects our children's education and the separation of church and state (your attempts to overthrow Roe vs Wade and to legalize the discrimination against gays and lesbians). You are a danger to the democracy of this country. Why shouldn't I be angry?

Totally unwarranted? Why, because you think it's ok to demean God or my beliefs? I would say that's rather typical on your part, too dys.

Yes, I am sure he is just a doll. I can tell by all the wonderful things he has posted about those that have faith. I can just see the respect he has for others even though they have differing opinions. If he can get off the floor from laughing long enough that is.

Other than that post of him apologizing to those that are believers, I haven't seen much more from him (in the Spirituality and Religion forums) that show me how respectful he is of others.

You and everyone else that thinks it is okay to make fun of God or someone because they hold those beliefs, go right ahead. But, I will call you on it everytime. I will let no one demean God without telling that person how offensive it is to me.

If that's whining, so be it. I have principles. I have faith. I try to follow my beliefs to the best of my ability. But, I am not a doormat for anyone and neither is God.

It sure didn't take long for non-believers to jump the author of Atheists...Your Life is Pointless thread, did it? Seems plenty of atheists aren't too crazy about derogatory things being said about them either.

C.I.,

Perhaps then I should be angry at your wanting these things to be or stay legal? I'm not. It is your right to lobby legally for these things. That is the way democracy works.

If you think that demeaning or belittling anyone for their beliefs like this is ok, then I feel very sorry for you. You are a very good reason for me to not want to be anything other than a believer. If I felt I had the right to treat someone in the manner you do because they don't agree with you, I'm not sure I could sleep at night.

There is one particular poster on these threads that almost completely disagrees with me about my beliefs. NOT ONE single time has that poster said a single derogatory thing to me. That poster is the greatest form of threat to a believer's faith. That poster causes me to pause and think more than anyone that would rail against God or my Christianity. You might want to think about that. (You know who you are and yes, that is meant as a very sincere compliment.)

You and those like you that feel this is appropriate behavior do nothing but reinforce my faith by your actions because I wouldn't want to feel I have the right to treat others as you have. And IMO, it is never ok to treat someone badly because they did something you don't like or said something you disagree with. It's called taking responsibility for your own actions. :wink:

That is NOT how democracy works. When this administration uses christianity as their license to impose their religious beliefs on the rest of our society, it is just plain wrong. This country was established by our founding fathers for the separatioin of chruch and state.

Bushco crossed the line many times including the Teri Schiavo case (one life is precious nonsense), his nomination to the SC of rundamental christians in an effort to overthrow Roe vs Wade, to discriminate against gays and lisbians by denying them "marriage," and to fund religious organizations by the feds by our tax dollars.

In the first place, you need to study American history to learn about the separation of church and state. Then try to understand why many of us (including some christians) thta believes mixing religion with politics is wrong.

When you begin to understand these things, maybe you might understand our anger.

C.I.,

Democracy works by everyone voting for what they want and the majority wins. It's not your anger I do not understand. And I never said I was not for separation of church and state.

I understand the anger. What I don't understand is the way you vent that anger. I just started a new thread called "Let's Duke It Out." The purpose of that thread is to get everyone's views in one place instead of me having to figure them out from thread after thread, etc.

C.I., what makes your anger any more important than anyone else's anger?

The Bible says that it was punishment for Eve's disobedience in choosing knowledge over ignorance. So why would God punish all women who give birth, whether or not they have ever disobeyed God themselves? And do you only inherit Eve's sin when you give birth? God may give a free ride to virgins, but what about women who have sex without becoming pregnant?



Then why? Do you think that God does not realize that there is a problem? Do you agree that he deliberately made women's pelvic openings too small to cause pain during childbirth as punishment for Eve's sin thousands of years ago, even though it causes millions of women and babies to die during birth?


If the child knows why they are being punished and the punishment fits the crime, most would agree that it's fair even if they don't like it. But would you punish your daughter for something your great-grandmother did that angered you, even if your daughter had done nothing to deserve your wrath?

If you force teachers to present ID as factual, What are you going to tell my daughter when she asks why an "Intelligent" Designer made her pelvic opening too small? How are you going to explain that God wants her to suffer as punishment for being born sinful without bringing religion into science class?

How does ID explain the design flaws inherent in the human body, if not incompetence or malicious intent?

It doesn't, but I'm the one making my position as clear as I can on a2k.