Thanx Tico. That is what I had heard but I wanted to have the facts.
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Hi...I m Komal a female Muslim From Pakistan
okeyy like phewww gee u guys do think REAL highly bout us:D
1st of all about Jihad
well Islam DOES preach about jihad no denying that fact but u see there r many kinds of jihad the biggest jihad of them all "jihad-a-akbar" is "jihad-bin-nafss" which means a fight against ur desires
the not so good ones of course
the jihad in which u attack is basically called "qatall"(killing) NOW this jihad is a very serious 1 & it can not b initiated by just anybody
the WHOLE Muslim world should be a part of it
2ndly jihad is a fight against an "army" n not innocent civilians which has been the case in all the attacks against u people
n lastly Islam says that u should try to avoid "qatall" as much as possible
like the Prophet Mohammed(PBUH) had this peace treaty with the worst enemy...this treaty was TOTALLY unfair(its called "sulah-a-hudaibya" by the way) like there was this clause in it which stated that if any of their people was 2 come to the Muslims and ask 4 refugee the Muslims were supposed to turn him/her back BUT if any Muslim came to they had no obligation to send him bak
it had many other as such outrageous clauses BUT the Prophet Mohammed(PBUH) signed the treaty nonetheless
just because he wanted peace
islam MEANS "peace" like hell when v greet people v say "asalam o alikum" which means PEACE be on u!!!
The problem is with us the people "we" r making islam a darn difficult..islam is such a simple n flexible religion
like lieing is total no in islam BUT if a lie of urs can end a fight between 2 ppl then u can lie!!
p.s. n hey did I mention that suicide is a TOTAL no in islam??
p.p.s try n ignore all the mistakes that I hav done because I didn't give this a 2nd read as I have 2 get back to the assigment I was doing before I stumbled upon this forum
n guess wat my assignment was about??? Trying to understand the west better"!
angel_me,
Two questions:
1) Are you saying in order to end a fight between two people, IT IS OK (caps for emphasis only) to lie?
2) If suicide is a big no in Islam, what's with the suicider bombers?
Sweetie, don't worry about your mistakes in typing. No big deal. I am looking forward to discussing things with you. It's always great to go to the source. Welcome to A2K!
Momma Angel wrote:angel_me,
Two questions:
1) Are you saying in order to end a fight between two people, IT IS OK (caps for emphasis only) to lie?
2) If suicide is a big no in Islam, what's with the suicider bombers?
Sweetie, don't worry about your mistakes in typing. No big deal. I am looking forward to discussing things with you. It's always great to go to the source. Welcome to A2K!
thx..when ur lieing fr a GOOD cause yea...n thats my point islam does not allow suicide bombing those people r NOT following islam...v hate them 2
angel_me,
Thank you for answering me. I accept your answer to question two and don't feel a need to address that further.
However, your answer to my first question has really sparked my interest. Can you tell me who it is that makes the decision to lie beause it is for a good?
o boy i KNEW sumbody was gonna say that...u kno there r conditions when lieing is allowed lyk when u can end up a fight(as i mentioned earlier) or if it saves ur or sumbody else's life
I understand what you are saying, angel_me. And, there are certain situations that I could agree with you on this. Such as, say a man is beating his wife and you want to help. Well, you go to their door and he answers. You tell him, I need help! (For whatever reason). Ok, this causes the man to go with you to help you, thus ending the fight with the woman. I can accept that with no problem at all.
But, if two friends were arguing about something and another friend came in the middle of it and told a lie to divert the conversation, etc., I am not sure that I would think that is ok.
So, in instances like my second scenario, who is it that decides the lie is ok and appropriate to voice? Afterall, a person could say, well, I told you that lie to get you to stop arguing because I was afraid it would get physically violent. This would be ok?
basicaly u yourself(if u r mentaly ok that is)...because deep down inside v do kno when something is wrong & when it s right...like when somebody does something wrong real deep down she/he DOES kno its wrong
hey momma angel it was nice talking 2 u...i ve go to go now its 10:30pm over here n i have 2 go 2 skool 2morrow(v just get the sundays off...
poor us!!!) so i should get ready to go to bed...bye...see you
Momma Angel wrote:angel_me Wrote:
Quote:basicaly u yourself(if u r mentaly ok that is)...because deep down inside v do kno when something is wrong & when it s right...like when somebody does something wrong real deep down she/he DOES kno its wrong
Guess we'll have to talk about this tomorrow.
hey just post ur next question & i ll reply 2 it when ever i m on
I would like to discuss the statement you have in that quote above this post, angel_me.
I find it a bit perplexing that you say we ourselves should make the decision whether it is ok to tell the type of lie you are speaking about. Of course, we make the decisions for what we do and say, but it is so easy for people to justify anything to do what they want or to get what they want.
hmm i must tell u that i m only 17(n not THAT religious...not according 2 r standards nyway) so sorry if i m not able 2 explain myself but i ll try but i ll try...basicaly in islam u r punished or rewarded about something by how u meant dat thing fr others in ur heart lyk in islam ur rewarded if u think bout doin sumthin gud n even if ur able 2 acctualy do it but the kool thing is ur NOT punished 4 just thinkin bad 4 sumbody!!!...islam is a religion which is not against human nature...the lieing thing was just an example the same goes 4 drinkin alchol n eating pork 2(which under normal circumstances r 4bidden 2 consume) u can consume both of em if ur life or sumbody else's life depend on it or lyk if ur being beatin up just 2 make u drink alchol n circumstanses lyk dat
angel_me wrote:hmm i must tell u that i m only 17(n not THAT religious...not according 2 r standards nyway) so sorry if i m not able 2 explain myself but i ll try but i ll try...basicaly in islam u r punished or rewarded about something by how u meant dat thing fr others in ur heart lyk in islam ur rewarded if u think bout doin sumthin gud n even if ur able 2 acctualy do it but the kool thing is ur NOT punished 4 just thinkin bad 4 sumbody!!!...islam is a religion which is not against human nature...the lieing thing was just an example the same goes 4 drinkin alchol n eating pork 2(which under normal circumstances r 4bidden 2 consume) u can consume both of em if ur life or sumbody else's life depend on it or lyk if ur being beatin up just 2 make u drink alchol n circumstanses lyk dat
Spell out your words damnit! It's like reading chicken scratch or a court reporter's shorthand.
Agreed.
Please! It takes no more time to write out 'anyway', rather than 'nyway', for example.
Reyn wrote:Agreed.
Please! It takes no more time to write out 'anyway', rather than 'nyway', for example.
Waddayamean? It takes an extra keystroke. And, hey, those keystrokes add up. The youth of today have it figured out, I'm telling you.
Ticomaya wrote:Reyn wrote:Agreed.
Please! It takes no more time to write out 'anyway', rather than 'nyway', for example.
Waddayamean? It takes an extra keystroke. And, hey, those keystrokes add up. The youth of today have it figured out, I'm telling you.
lol i KNEW somebody would say that...but hey listen i AM trying to speak the language in the right way because that day i was giving my english exam and i kept writing "da" instead of "the" so give me some time
write the language in the right way rather
Angel Me,
I am still wanting to talk about who decides if something is okay to tell a lie about. Yes, deep down we should all know if it is a lie or not but that does not explain why anyone would think it is ok to tell a lie.
