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China is Winning the Trade War

 
 
Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2005 02:10 pm
The United States currently owes China over $650 BILLION in debt. That number is expected to grow to over $1 Trillion during the next 2 years.

How is this possible?

In order to pay for its two recent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the Bush administration has been forced to loan money from, you guessed it, China.

Meanwhile the US Economy is slipping, and small wonder why. They are currently locked into a $162 billion/year trade deficit with China. The Chinese keep manufacturing products that Americans NEED and Americans keep on buying them. The problem is that the United States isn't manufacturing much in return and sending it back to China. In fact, they're manufacturing very little these days.

The airplane industry took a huge dive ever since September 11th. So the US isn't selling very many planes to China.

The automotive industry has went sour in the United States too. The major car manufacturers have moved out of the States. The funny fact is that Canada now builds more cars/trucks/SUVs than the United States does. And in the future, China is going to be building even more than Canada, the US, and Mexico combined.

So just WHAT is driving the US economy?

War profits.

When the war in Iraq eventually ends (and it will end someday), the US economy will fall flat on its back.

The only solution will be to have another war.

Which will mean more national debt, and more loans from China. The United States is currently $7,782,816,546,352.00 in debt, and much of that debt is owed to China.

On a business level, this is very RISKY business.

Imagine for a moment, a risk board... but only instead of armies, you have banks and manufacturing companies.

These banks/companies duel it out in the markets, and whichever ones don't go bankrupt win.

Now the United States has an almost $8 trillion US debt. When push comes to shove, the United States is in serious financial trouble. They are pinned down by that debt. They are carrying it with them. Which means their banks and their companies (neither of which are doing so hot) are carrying a portion of that debt because the American people are also carrying a portion of that debt. Per person, that debt is roughly $26-27,000 US, which includes every man, woman and child, regardless of whether they are an infant or already retired.

Combine that with the debt many Americans already face from credit cards, bank loans, mortgages... if these people lose their jobs suddenly, they are going to lose EVERYTHING.

Which is what will happen when the war in Iraq ends. The war profits can only keep the United States boosted above par for a short while. Eventually the US will have to have another war in order to keep things in the green, or they will have an economic depression.

And even during an economic depression, China will continue to send the United States more toasters, more DVDs, more fine china, more cars, more everything.

And if the United States raises tarriffs on Chinese imports, the result will be an inflation rate that will knock most of the middle-class into the lower-class, and many of the lower-class onto the street.

So right now, the United States is basically SCREWED.

Anything they do, whether they continue to make war, don't make war, their economy is so far down the toilet its already in the septic tank.

So after its officially in the septic tank, then what will happen?

Well, its quite simply, the United States will basically be slaves to the new order of things: Namely, China as the central world power instead of the United States; Americans hugely in credit card and mortgage debt and basically slaves to their debts; China will end up owning all the banks and all the credit card companies.

And thats how you win a trade war. When all the banks and major companies are owned by one country. The RISK game of the 21st Century won't be played with armies anymore. It will be played by bankers, accountants and lawyers.

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A trade war is brewing. China is mass producing high quality goods with very low prices & flooding US markets, putting Americans out of business. They're making cars, toasters, clothes, computers, etc at cheaper rates & selling it back to us through companies like Walmart. Walmart doesn't care about the plight of the American worker, it only cares about profits. Unemployment rates in the United States keep going up. Americans are losing their jobs because we can't compete with the Chinese industrial complex. They can build things for half the price we do. Culturally, China is taking over the world. Chinese is now more important than English. Our children will have to learn Chinese if they can even hope to compete in the new global market. The United States may have dominated the 20th Century economy, but China is already dominating the 21st Century economy. Anything related to anti-globalism, the trade war between China and the USA & the Chinese languages Mandarin. The United States currently owes China over $650 BILLION in debt. That number is expected to grow to over $1 Trillion during the next 2 years. How is this possible? In order to pay for its two recent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the Bush administration has been forced to loan money from, you guessed it, China. Bush doesn't even care about economic policy. He only cares about oil. Meanwhile Americans are losing their jobs and China is becoming rich.

How do you fix an economy once its gone into a depression? How do you prevent the current economy from going into a depression?
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Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2005 02:27 pm
freedom4free wrote:
So just WHAT is driving the US economy?

War profits.

Source? It is new to me that the war is profitable for the US.

freedom4free wrote:
China will continue to send the United States more toasters, more DVDs, more fine china, more cars, more everything.

Horrors. Do those Chinese have no mercy?
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2005 02:41 pm
http://thepoliticaljunkies.net/Archived/Year2003/Nov/Wk%201/index1_files/image001.gif
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Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2005 02:53 pm
So? For the most part, these corporations are paid for by American taxpayer's money. From the perspective of America as a whole, that is a redistribution -- actually a loss, for that money could have been spent on more productive uses. Enumerating a few war profiteers does not prove a profit for the American economy as a whole, which was the claim you were making. Since that economy contains millions of companies, even enumerating a few hundred profiteers wouldn't prove that. If you are seriously interested in answering questions like "how does a war affect the American economics", I recommend that you read a macroeconomics textbook. Brad deLong, a Berkeley economics professor whose blog you may have heard of, has a draft of his textbook available online here. Enjoy!
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2005 03:11 pm
And you might want to read this :

How the War Machine is Driving the US Economy

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During the second quarter of 2003, when the war in Iraq was in full swing, some 60 per cent of the 3.3 per cent GDP growth rate was attributable to military spending. Expenditure on manpower and weaponry was relatively flat, according to Professor Pollin's analysis, while the lion's share of the stimulus came from the multi-billion dollar contracts handed out to Halliburton, Bechtel and other private contractors.

A smaller proportion of the roaring 8.2 per cent growth recorded for the third quarter was directly attributable to the military, but Professor Pollin and others argue that it is still the military that is driving the deficit, and the deficit - budgeted at about $500 billion (£270bn) for next year - that is driving the recovery.

Just last month, the Pentagon awarded a $4 billion contract to California company Northrop Grumman to work on the Star Wars missile defense program. It is the sort of figure that can regenerate the economy of an entire region. California - the state where US economic booms have a tendency to begin and end - is also a beneficiary of the boom in security-related spending, since much modern security paraphernalia depends on Silicon Valley computer technology....Continued
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Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2005 03:33 pm
Continued -- where? Source?
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2005 04:40 pm
Look, the ratio of debt to the GDP of the country is actually not that big thanks to the largeness of the US economy. In fact, if you look at the $8 trillion deficit in terms of ratios, its actually favourable to a country like, Japan, for instance.

Frankly, I shudder to think what would happen if the entire US economy collapses. Aren't all the other markets of the world linked to the US?
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