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Is this something we should do? How?

 
 
Reply Fri 11 Nov, 2005 11:44 pm
This is a command for all of God's people written in Revelation 18: 4-6, about something called Babylon the Great:

"And I heard another voice out of heaven say: "Get out of her, my people, if YOU do not want to share with her in her sins, and if YOU do not want to receive part of her plagues. 5 For her sins have massed together clear up to heaven, and God has called her acts of injustice to mind. 6 Render to her even as she herself rendered, and do to her twice as much, yes, twice the number of the things she did; in the cup in which she put a mixture put twice as much of the mixture for her."

What is this Babylon the Great? Why is it called Babylon the Great? And how do we escape her?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 11 Nov, 2005 11:48 pm
So, can the mystery of the whore of Babylon be solved? Yes, at least partially. The whore of Babylon is an evil world system, controlled by the antichrist, during the last days before Jesus' return. It is somehow connected with Rome, perhaps either centered in Rome - or being a form of revived Roman Empire. The whore of Babylon also has religious connotations - spiritual adultery with the beast being the focus of an ungodly end times religious system, also centered in Rome. Again, the whore of Babylon is a mystery…but we can be fairly certain about the nature and identity of the great and terrible whore of Babylon.

http://www.gotquestions.org/whore-Babylon-mystery.html
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 11 Nov, 2005 11:52 pm
How does it 'commit fornication with the kings of the earth'?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 11 Nov, 2005 11:56 pm
neologist wrote:
How does it 'commit fornication with the kings of the earth'?

The fact that the whore of Babylon is referred to as a mystery likely means that we cannot be completely certain as to her identity. The passage does give us some clues, however. Revelation 17:9 explains, "This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits." In ancient times, the city of Rome was known as "the city on seven hills" because there are seven prominent hills that surround the city. So, whatever the whore of Babylon is, we can know that it is somehow connected with Rome. Revelation 17:15 tells us, "Then the angel said to me, "The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages." The whore of Babylon will have great worldwide influence, over people and nations. Verses 10-14 describe a series of eight and then ten kings who affiliate with the beast. The whore of Babylon will at one time have control over these kings (Revelation 17:18), but at some point the kings will turn on her and destroy her (Revelation 17:16).

http://www.able2know.com/go/?a2kjump=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gotquestions.org%2Fwhore-Babylon-mystery.html
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neologist
 
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Reply Sat 12 Nov, 2005 09:49 pm
OK, but what should we do? Stay out of Rome. Well, that may be a good idea. But revelation does not exclude any of the nations from the claim about their consorting with the great harlot.
In chapter 12, vs. 5, it refers to one "who is to shepherd all the nations with an iron rod."

Daniel 2:44 refers to a time when God's kingdom ". . . will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite." So the battle of Armageddon is not a war between nations, it is a war between the nations and God.

We must ask: "What organization has, throughout history, prostituted itself with the worlds governments?"

It is not so much a mystery as one might think.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 12 Nov, 2005 09:51 pm
Neo,

Then pray tell, what is it?
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neologist
 
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Reply Sat 12 Nov, 2005 09:59 pm
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 12 Nov, 2005 10:06 pm
I know what I think. I want to know what you think.
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littlek
 
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Reply Sat 12 Nov, 2005 10:07 pm
Hmmm... lessee.... the whore is the US?
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djjd62
 
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Reply Sat 12 Nov, 2005 10:42 pm
it's the vatican
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flushd
 
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Reply Sat 12 Nov, 2005 10:43 pm
According to Daniel Quinn, the whore is Mother Culture.
So far, that makes the most sense to me.

She lulls us all to sleep; the Christians, the Muslims, the Atheists. She ravages the earth. She kills all that denies her. No one may live outside of her womb. And yet: we choose her. We bought her. We can move beyond 'Culture' and save our skins.

Has anyone else here read Quinn? :wink:
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littlek
 
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Reply Sat 12 Nov, 2005 10:45 pm
Culture or civilization?
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djjd62
 
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Reply Sat 12 Nov, 2005 10:47 pm
sorry, i'm sticking with vatican
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flushd
 
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Reply Sat 12 Nov, 2005 10:50 pm
Culture is the word he uses most often; though sometimes he uses the word civilization.
He refers to "Takers" and "Leavers". Basically, we are living in an age of Takers. There is no allowance for Leavers. So, we are headed towards our own destruction. Simple enough right?

He has an interesting take on the bible as well. According to what I have read, he believes the bible was actually originally a "leaver" story which was adapted and stolen by the 'takers'.

Anyways, I don't want to derail. Embarrassed This thread just made me think of his writings.
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djjd62
 
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Reply Sat 12 Nov, 2005 10:52 pm
well, now i'm curious about this quinn guy
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JPB
 
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Reply Sat 12 Nov, 2005 11:01 pm
I liked littlek's answer of the U.S.
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neologist
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2005 07:15 am
littlek wrote:
Hmmm... lessee.... the whore is the US?
Interesting. But Chapter 18, vs. 4 warns : "Get out of her, my people. . . " Would those who are not in the US be somehow exempt from warning?
djjd62 wrote:
it's the vatican
Clearly, the Vatican makes up a portion of the whore. But all the kings of the earth have come under her influence.

How about this clue? In vs. 23 of the same chapter it says . . . "no voice of a bridegroom and of a bride will ever be heard in you again."

To what organization do all people of the earth turn for the ceremony of marriage?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2005 10:59 am
Neo,

I'm not so sure when it says "Get out of her, my people..." that can't also be taken as do not engage in her practices. After the rapture and during the seven year tribulation, travel from country to country would IMO be rather limited, so physically getting out of any country might not be easily accomplished.
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littlek
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2005 11:09 am
Neo - 'all people of earth'? I guess everyone has to go to one level of gov't to be married. Is it preaching anarchy?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 13 Nov, 2005 11:15 am
Neo,

I missed that part for some reason. All of the people of the earth? I don't think so. There will be those that receive the mark of the beast and they will not partake of the wedding feast. Of course, it is offered to all the people of the world, but not all the people accept it.

My understanding of the Book of Revelation is after the rapture, the anti-christ will come fully into power. He will seemingly cure the worlds' ills for awhile. He will gather kings and nations and turn on them. He will do everything he can to completely eradicate God/Jesus and Christianity from the face of the earth. During the tribulation, everyone not taken in the rapture will still have the free will to choose whether they want to serve God or serve the Anti-Christ.

Once the Second Coming of Jesus happens though, there is no more choice.
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