Riots in France

I would hope that Mr/Walter Hinteler would expand his comment about an "Indian Elementary". I assume, from his post, that he is talking about Chicago( since that is where the A2K get together was held). His comment about Education is unfortunate since, I am very knowledgeable of Education and Chicago and environs, and can assure Mr. Walter Hinteler that there is no school in Chicago called "Indian Elementary."

My comment about Testosterone was in jest. I am aware that testosterone is not the cause of the unfortunate decline in the German birth rate.

It is clear, however, that many countries,including Russia, are now suffering a precipitous decline in births.

It would appear that those groups that have a high birth rate( the Muslims come in mind), may( if the recent articles about the future are correct) soon be the largest religous and ethnic group in Europe.

I am of the opinion that the marvelous German Culture and the unparalleled French Culture will soon be relegated to the Museums and that the ways of the Arab Culture may prevail.

It could be that Germany, France, Russia, Italy and Spain, could prevail on their young people to save their unique cultures by having ( gasp) more than one child.

I am very much afraid that the inherent selfishness bred in the young people of Europe( and many in the United States) is such that they would have no such impetus. They are probably unaware that they might save their cultures along with their genes which, if they are childless, will not pass into the next generation.

But that's such an "old-fashioned" idea, isn't it?.

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Francis wrote:

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You aknowledged and added to those comments. But then you got to your prefered topic, I mean, the difficulty of Europe to adapt to global world.

Having an inside view of the problem, I can assure you that I witnessed some signs of changes on the way..

I suppose it does appear to be a "preferred topic" of mine, but the fact is I believe it is one of the critical issues in the modern world and one of two or three critical elements in the friction between the United States and Europe. With that in mind, I prefer instead to call it the most important issue behind the topic of this thread. I would 'prefer' that the issue did not exist at all.

I would be very interested to learn about your observations of coming changes. If adaptive change is indeed coming, I will be very pleased.

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BernardR wrote:

I assume, from his post, that he is talking about Chicago( since that is where the A2K get together was held).

Others than the creator of the above quotation will know that I'm of course not talking at all Chicago.

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You cannot prevent from falling in continuous nonsense, Bernard.

You should check French birth rate which is now one of the highest in Europe...

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... and perhaps the population/land relation of some European countries ...

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Really? A very high birthrate in France? And how many of those are Muslim?

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Francis and Walter Hinteler- Do you then deny that Spain, Italy and Russia are not reproducing fast enough to repopulate their country with INDIGINOUS SPANIARDS, ITALIANS, AND RUSSIANS.

I will check on the French Birth rate to see if I can subract the Muslim element. If so, I am sure that the French Birth Rate is not that high.

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You're showing your real nature, Bernard. It's enough for me...

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I do hope you enjoyed your visit to Chicago, Mr. Hinteler. I have read some of your posts in which you seem to sneer at some of the policies in the USA.

You may be correct, but in fifty years, if birth trends continue, Germany will be a European backwater with, perhaps, a President with Turkish roots while the USA will have somewhere between 350 and 400 Million people.

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Francis is correct in that female fertility in France is not only the highest in continental Europe, but it has also, uniquely, been rising over the past two or three years. From Spain to Russia, however, the situation is different: fertility is about 1.4 births per female and still falling. Increased immigration is the usual consequence of this, and the unwillingness of some affected countries to adapt to these conditions is the principal contradiction one can observe.

Perhaps the air in Chicago has made Walter a bit more thin-skinned than usual.

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BernardR wrote:

You may be correct, but in fifty years, if birth trends continue, Germany will be a European backwater with, perhaps, a President with Turkish roots while the USA will have somewhere between 350 and 400 Million people.

Yes, and they'll be all of hispanic descent. Wouldn't that kill you and your kind.

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BernardR wrote:

Francis and Walter Hinteler- Do you then deny that Spain, Italy and Russia are not reproducing fast enough to repopulate their country with INDIGINOUS SPANIARDS, ITALIANS, AND RUSSIANS.

I will check on the French Birth rate to see if I can subract the Muslim element. If so, I am sure that the French Birth Rate is not that high.

The same phenomenon can be observed in the U.S. Bernard. Our Oriental and Hispanic immigrants have much higher birthrates than do the established population, The same was true a few generations ago when the immigrants were coming from Italy, Poland, and Ireland. If there is a difference between the U,S. and Europe it is in our greater experience with immigration and a somewhat higher fertility among the established population.

I believe there has been some unwarranted irritability on both sides of this matter, and continuing to add to it will do little to enhance the dialogue.

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No, Calamity Jane, it would not. Because my wife is half Hispanic- Guatamalan to be precise.

If you knew what was happening in the US, you would know that over half of the third generation Hispanics are intermarrying with Non-Hispanics.

I would be happy to direct you to the evidence if you wish!!

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Geroge ob1- I am sure that you know that the main reason that the Hispanic and Muslim Birth rates are high is that they, ( untutored and unlettered folks that they are clinging to superstition) have religious faith and follow the dictates of their religion.

I think it would serve the European nations right to have their cultures extinguished by those who were willing to believe in their faith and reproduce in quantity. Even non-believers know that without reproduction, your personal genes are lost forever.

Some would say-So what. I do not agree.

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Well, at least the Europeans would have a culture to lose.

Bernard, by 2050 there wont be any ethnic majority in the United States left, so you might think of preserving your little world.

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BernardR wrote:

Geroge ob1- I am sure that you know that the main reason that the Hispanic and Muslim Birth rates are high is that they, ( untutored and unlettered folks that they are clinging to superstition) have religious faith and follow the dictates of their religion.

I think it would serve the European nations right to have their cultures extinguished by those who were willing to believe in their faith and reproduce in quantity. Even non-believers know that without reproduction, your personal genes are lost forever.

Some would say-So what. I do not agree.

I don't think the facts supprt your contention here. Low birth rates correlate primarily with economic well-being and (in my view) with the degree to which the society in question rewards competitive behavior. Some of the nominally least secular European states have the lowest birthrates. Religion seems to have little to do with it. Even in Moslem countries that are undergioing economic development, one can observe rapidly falling birth rates.

Overall fertility in the U.S. is about 2.15. Leaving out recent immigrants the rate is about 2.0 - slightly below the rate required for equilibrium. In France and the UK the rates are between 1.8 and 1.9 - not significantly different from the established population in the U.S. Across much of continental Europe, however, the rate is 1.4, and in several countries it is still declining. I believe this, and the ability of these countries to adapt to the assimilation of immigrants are the real issues.

We have these problems in the U.S. as well, However, often after a bit of sound and fury we have repeatedly adapted to it. In many areas of Europe the problem is both more severe and new -- there are as yet no established modes of coping with the changes. I believe that is the problem.

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Really, Calamity Jane, and what "little world" is that ?

I wonder if you would be specific about 2050. What kind of "World" would that be?

I would appreciate it if you could supply a link or proof.

Thank you!

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CalamityJane wrote:

Well, at least the Europeans would have a culture to lose.
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Do you mean to imply that the United States doesn't have one? I don't think the facts support you there.

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georgeob1 wrote:

Perhaps the air in Chicago has made Walter a bit more thin-skinned than usual.

Not at all - but perhaps the air that was around me while travelling through the countries of the original, native Americans.

Besides that, I follow Francis

Francis wrote:

You're showing your real nature, Bernard. It's enough for me...

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Apparently you guys believe Bernard is a reincarnation of Massagato. True? Perhaps I am slow to catch on to such things.

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