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America debates evolution: Why now?

 
 
Reply Sun 23 Oct, 2005 03:00 pm
Sun Oct 23, 2005

By Michael Conlon

CHICAGO (Reuters) - Americans are bone-deep into a fight over evolution thanks in large part to a new script that has defined the issue in a way not seen since the "monkey trial" in rural Tennessee 80 years ago, academic and other experts say.

"There are two factors in American society coming to a head right now. One is the long-running opposition to evolution in this culture," said Robert Boston, a spokesman for Americans United for Separation of Church and State.

"The second is a well-coordinated, well-crafted, slick campaign to repackage creationism. They've stripped it of its more outlandish claims ... their new package is significantly more attractive since it doesn't have all this pseudo-scientific baggage," he added.

Religious and societal changes may also be factors, others say.

The question being debated in more than two dozen states is whether schools should be required to teach some sort of creation concept alongside Charles Darwin's 146-year-old theory of natural selection -- or at the least provide lessons saying some doubt his theories.

The Discovery Institute, a Seattle-based think tank, has reframed the issue as "intelligent design," the concept that evolution alone cannot explain nature's complexity, and it must be the work of a "designer" -- a higher being by implication.

Since 1982, Gallup research has indicated about 45 percent of Americans believe God created human beings "pretty much in their present form" within the last 10,000 years while 38 percent think mankind developed "over millions of years from less advanced" life forms "but God guided this process."

Only 15 percent think God had no part in it -- slightly more than the percentage of the populace that doesn't believe in God in the first place.

And a Pew Forum on Public Life and Religion poll earlier this year found that about two-thirds of Americans favored adding creationism to school curriculum.

Debate over evolution has been a constant thread in American society, before and since the 1925 Tennessee trial that found science teacher John Scopes guilty of violating a state law against teaching evolution. A higher court later overturned the verdict on a technicality without ruling on the merits of the law.

The fact that the debate has returned with such force in 2005 may reflect a time of frightening cultural change when people "look for something that is absolute and certain," said Mark Sisk, the Episcopal bishop of New York.

"I believe that a fair amount of this is an attempt to corner God. And when one does that it approaches idolatry," he added. The Biblical account of creation simply means that "God is the source of everything" and nothing in that conflicts with Darwin, he said.

REDEFINING DEBATE

The Discovery Institute is a central player in the current Pennsylvania trial where parents are suing a school board over a requirement that some students be given a brief statement suggesting intelligent design as an alternative to evolution, and then told of a book elaborating on the design theory.

Redefining the debate along intelligent design lines is an attempt by those who want creation taught in schools to find a "silver bullet" that will get them past adverse court rulings, according to Michael Lienesch, a political science professor at the University of North Carolina.

"The courts say if it's in a science class it has to be science," he said. But intelligent design has gained ground because its backers "have a lot of resources and a more sophisticated infrastructure. They have worked very hard to frame the evolution issue in terms of intelligent design."

"What makes it seem convincing is that it splits the difference between certainty and faith in a way that old-style creationism didn't," adds Kirk Wegter-McNelly, a professor of theology at Boston University. "The search for certainty is important among evangelicals and it's important as people live in an increasingly multi-religious society."

John West, a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute, said the debate has ripened because more credentialed scientists are critical of Darwin's theory. The institute has a list of 400 people with a variety of degrees in and out of academia who it said have signed a "dissent."

It states that they are "skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence of Darwinian theory should be encouraged."

What the institute would like to see, West, said, is a requirement that schools "teach the controversy" -- to note in lessons on evolution that not everyone accepts the theory.

That approach is equally abhorrent to Michael Zimmerman, dean of the College of Letters and Sciences at the University of Wisconsin, Oshkosh.

He blames the spreading debate in part on "narrow-minded religious leaders repeatedly saying people have to choose between science and religion." What they really want, Zimmerman said, is "to overturn the scientific paradigm that explains the natural world in materialistic terms."

He has gathered nearly 9,000 signatures of U.S. clergy members on a letter posted online urging school boards to keep teaching evolution "as a core component of human knowledge."

Glenn Branch, deputy director of the National Center for Science Education that is opposed to introducing any form of creationism, said the intelligent design approach is but another attempt to skirt the U.S. Constitution's ban on establishing religion.

He also said the 2002 "No Child Left Behind" law requires states to develop standards for science teaching, and that has opened a new forum for the debate.

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Mills75
 
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Reply Sun 23 Oct, 2005 07:17 pm
They will be coming after those pesky "Round Earth" and "Sun as Center of Solar System" theories next. Then they'll $hit-can that black magic those intellectuals with their fancy shmancy degrees call "medicine" in favor of faith-based healing. Change your ways--they'll be back to burning folks at the stake before long.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2005 02:29 am
When I was growing up, the average, church-going person had faith in science. Why not? It had developed a vaccine for polio, seemd to come out with a new cure every month-and gave us hope for a much better future. Laugh if you will, but people really thought we would be living like the Jetsons by now.

What the hell happened?

Now we are supposed to look at scientists like The Enemy?

I mean, really, I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/kelticwizard100/SpanishInquisition1.jpg
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2005 08:23 am
Perhaps we can just encourage science fair entries based on Intelligent Design.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 12:29 am
Intelligent Design: How intelligent is the Universe filled with water and a Flat Earth as described in Genesis? The discovery of America was the proof that the earth was round not flat and it is ironic that it is Americans who are pushing Flat Earth Bible Creatism.
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Mills75
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 07:53 pm
talk72000 wrote:
Intelligent Design: How intelligent is the Universe filled with water and a Flat Earth as described in Genesis? The discovery of America was the proof that the earth was round not flat and it is ironic that it is Americans who are pushing Flat Earth Bible Creatism.


That there sounds like some pinko atheistic liberal revisionist history crap! :wink:
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talk72000
 
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Reply Thu 27 Oct, 2005 10:46 am
The Noah's flood only makes sense with a flat earth theory and the Biblical God's inability to convince Jews to follow Him shows this God is not too smart. The Bible is not too intelligent. It therefore means that the Bible was not from an intellegent source by mortal men.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 27 Oct, 2005 02:17 pm
talk72000 wrote:
The Noah's flood only makes sense with a flat earth theory and the Biblical God's inability to convince Jews to follow Him shows this God is not too smart. The Bible is not too intelligent. It therefore means that the Bible was not from an intellegent source by mortal men.


Wow. Did you come up with that all by yourself?
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Thu 27 Oct, 2005 06:01 pm
Actually I always thought the deluge idea and flat earth were inconsistent with one another. I have this vision of waterfalls on all four sides of the earth sort of spilling out into space. I know it's wrong but it's engaging.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Thu 27 Oct, 2005 08:10 pm
talk72000 wrote:
The discovery of America was the proof that the earth was round not flat and it is ironic that it is Americans who are pushing Flat Earth Bible Creatism.


Ironic, yes, talk72000 (and welcome to a2k), plus it is very embarassing for those of us who would prefer a different agenda.

This sitting president has been quoted as saying that public schools should teach Intelligent Design side by side with Science.

I guess this is so that those children will get a fair and balanced view of science and creation as seen through the eyes of Texas. Rolling Eyes

Here's an interesting website: The Top Ten Intelligent Design Theories

http://www.livescience.com/history/top10_intelligent_designs.html
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2005 05:44 am
I'm sorry, but yet again, I have to step in to clear up a misconception.

The discovery of America did not prove that the Earth was round. Medieval monks knew the world was round, just by going up a tower and finding out that they could see further.

Columbus couldn't get backing not because people believed that the world was flat, but because they thought his estimate of the distance to India was wrong (which it was. He was just lucky the Americas were in the way otherwise he'd have died of starvation).

As for Intelligent Design, there is not a shred of science about it. The scientific parts of Intelligent Design are already being taught as evolution. The rest is not science.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Fri 28 Oct, 2005 10:43 am
Thanks piffka.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Sat 29 Oct, 2005 10:01 pm
goodfielder:

You are looking back at Noah's flood concept from 20th or 21st century scientific mindset. Sir Isaac Newton was born 1642. He developed his gravitational ideas in his late teens to early twenties. He wrote his Principia Mathematica in his thirties so it was published in 1670's or 1680's. He did not use Algebra or Calculus to explain but Geometry and Latin. Only four people could understand the book. Besides, he was not a good teacher i.e. he did not suffer fools gladly. Also he never developed the Integral symbol. He used the Sigma symbol maybe and invented the x dot to represent dx. His classes had students such that he might as well had talked to the walls. People began understand the mechanistic universe maybe in the 1700's about the time of the American Revolution.

So before Newton, I guess, people just did not understand gravity fully. They knew water fell down from experience. So with the Flat Earth, God opened the windows of heaven or the sky which they assume was a solid firmament to hold back the cosmic water. Rain fell down into the seas but what got it up into cosmic region above the sky? God or the angels.

Copernicus suggested the Earth revolved around the sun and he found himself in deep trouble. Galileo was even punished more harshly by the Church when he proved Copernicus right with his telescope.

With spherical earth there was the problem of where did the water disappear as the 40 days' of rain covered the earth. So the Bible writers did conceive the earth as spherical but flat and round as one can climb up a high spot and 360 degrees.
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