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Old enemies' wargames send a powerful message to the US

 
 
Reply Sun 16 Oct, 2005 01:08 pm
August 03, 2005
The Times


Old enemies' wargames send a powerful message to the US

By Jane Macartney

Russia and China hope to sign a massive arms deal after staging joint exercises for the first time



RUSSIA will show off its most modern bombers to its best military customer and China will have a chance to demonstrate that it is a force to be reckoned with when the giant neighbours hold their first joint military exercises this month.

The decision to hold the drills off the east China coast in the Yellow Sea came after a disagreement over Beijing’s initial desire for the games to take place further south, opposite the island of Taiwan — which it hopes one day to recover, by force if necessary.

Yesterday’s announcement that 100,000 troops would mass from August 18 to 25 marked the culmination of years of rapprochement between countries that were once bitter enemies, which went to war in a minor territorial dispute in the 1970s, but now see themselves as strategic partners.

Their common interests include the sale of Russian oil to help to meet the energy needs of China’s fast-growing economy as well as the strategic goal of showing the United States that other powers were rising in the East.

History has enabled them to leave behind old enmities. Shi Yinhong, Professor of the School of International Studies at Renmin University, Beijing, said: “China needs to buy Russian military equipment and resources. For Russia, China is an important market and a source of hard currency.”

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freedom4free
 
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Reply Sun 16 Oct, 2005 03:26 pm
Russia insists on Iran's right to nuclear energy

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MOSCOW, Oct. 16 (Xinhuanet) -- Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on Sunday repeated the country's support for the nuclear rights of Iran, whose nuclear program has sparked Western concerns of nuclear proliferation and prompted a US-driven push for referral to the UN Security Council for sanctions.

Iran has the right to develop nuclear energy like any other country and Russia would continue nuclear energy cooperation with Iran, Lavrov said in a television interview.

"No one, including the United States, calls into question our right to continue the construction of the nuclear power plant in Bushehr," he said.

Russian support for the Iranian claim to nuclear energy underlined the split it has over Iran with the United States, which accuses Iran of seeking nuclear weapons under the guise of acivilian nuclear program.

Iran says its nuclear program is dedicated exclusively to power generation.

Talks between the European Union (EU) and Iran over its controversial nuclear program collapsed after Iran ended a freeze on uranium conversion in August.

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice visited Moscow briefly over the weekend to persuade Russia into backing a referral to the UN Security Council for possible sanctions on Iran. The rift between the two sides remained everything but small after Rice headed off to London to continue her European tour.

"The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) should continue considering the Iranian nuclear program. Iran has agreed to cooperate with the IAEA, and it is important that the agency is ready to carry on the work," Lavrov said.

"This is the best way to clear all questions and suspicions. Itis necessary to agree on transparent development of the Iranian nuclear energy industry in line with international law and in a manner that will not arouse international suspicions," he said. Enditem


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Looks like Iran will be lot tougher to invade, there getting support. I just hope Bush keeps our troops away from Iran
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Mon 17 Oct, 2005 10:06 am
By Con Coughlin
(Filed: 16/10/2005)


Former members of the Russian military have been secretly helping Iran to acquire technology needed to produce missiles capable of striking European capitals.

The Russians are acting as go-betweens with North Korea as part of a multi-million pound deal they negotiated between Teheran and Pyongyang in 2003. It has enabled Teheran to receive regular clandestine shipments of top secret missile technology, believed to be channelled through Russia.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2005/10/16/wiran16.jpg

Western intelligence officials believe that the technology will enable Iran to complete development of a missile with a range of 2,200 miles, capable of hitting much of Europe. It is designed to carry a 1.2-ton payload, sufficient for a basic nuclear device.

The revelation raises the stakes in the confrontation between Iran's Islamic regime and the West - led by the United States and European countries including Britain.

Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state, clashed with Russian officials over Iran's nuclear programme during a visit to Moscow yesterday, saying that Teheran must fulfil its obligations under the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty.

She was later expected to urge President Vladimir Putin to back a referral of Iran to the United Nations Security Council.

Iran factfile

A senior American official said Iran's programme was "sophisticated and getting larger and more accurate. They have had very much in mind the payload needed to carry a nuclear weapon.

"I think Putin knows what the Iranians are doing."

Iran is believed to be hiding its weapons development behind its nuclear power programme, for which it receives Russian support, and has refused to suspend uranium enrichment or to allow full UN inspections.

John Bolton, the US ambassador to the UN, told BBC2's Newsnight that Iran was "determined to get nuclear weapons deliverable on ballistic missiles it can then use to intimidate not only its own region but possibly to supply to terrorists".

Iran's longest-range missile is the Shahab 3, which, with an 800-mile range, could hit Israel. The North Korean deal will allow the Iranian missile to reach targets far into Europe - including Rome, Berlin, and much of France.

North Korea has developed a missile, the Taepo Dong 2, that could reach America's west coast, based on the submarine-launched Soviet SSN6. Modifications allow it to be fired from a land-based transporter and this technology is being smuggled to Teheran with Russian help.

Russians have provided production facilities, diagrams and operating instruction so the missile can be built in Iran. Liquid propellant has been shipped to Iran. Russian specialists have also been sent to Iran to help development of its Shahab 5 missile project, which the Iranians hope to have operational by the end of the decade.

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Iam supprised noone in here thinks Russia and China will be a threat to the USA Confused
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 17 Oct, 2005 10:10 am
Oh, I certainly do.

Not so much Russia, unless they decide that lobbing nukes is the way to go; but China certainly has the money to build up large forces, enough of the money we sent them for all their useless crap...

Cycloptichorn
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Mon 17 Oct, 2005 10:10 am
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FRONT ROYAL, Va., Aug. 4 /PRNewswire/—“If we don’t yet feel threatened by the emerging China-Russia Axis,” says Steven W. Mosher, “these unprecedented military exercises by the People’s Liberation Army and the Russian armed forces should make us sit up and take notice. These exercises are clearly aimed at us.”

Mosher, the President of the Population Research Institute, pointed out that China’s military budget is now second only to that of the United States. “China is buying, building, and deploying new, hi-tech weapons systems at a furious pace. No nation threatens China. But it is now beginning to threaten its neighbors, beginning with Taiwan.”

Since 1990, the Beijing regime has referred to the U.S. as its “chief enemy”; stolen the designs of nearly all U.S. nuclear warheads and many other military secrets; targeted U.S. forces in the Pacific with an increasingly lethal array of weapons; announced that it intended to assert control out to the “first island chain” in the Pacific (Japan, Taiwan, and the Philippines); and threatened to nuke Los Angeles if the U.S. defends democratic Taiwan against a Chinese invasion. “China’s ultimate goal,” says Mosher, “is to become the hegemon, dethroning the United States as the world’s dominant power.”

“This is why China is trying to win control of key maritime choke points (think Panama Canal), become a major player in the world’s energy supplies (think about the offer of China’s state-controlled energy company to buy Unocal), and to use international organizations for its own purposes (think about the Chinese-led effort to successfully remove the U.S. from the U.N. Human Rights Commission.),” says Mosher. “And this is why it is trying to draw Russia into a new anti-American alliance.”

Mosher, who has taught Chinese studies at the University of California at Berkeley, was the first American social scientist allowed to do field research in China in 1979-80. He is the author of numerous books on China including “Hegemon: China’s Plan to Dominate Asia and the World” (Encounter Books, 2000)
SOURCE Population Research Institute
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Amigo
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2005 05:51 pm
China, Russia ,Cuba, Venezuela, Etc. Here we go. Were going into WW III. With corperations and Bush leading the country and the people are acting like sheep. Were screwed. This thread didn't even get passed the first page.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2005 06:20 pm
The rules of warfare in the 21st century seem to be a little different from the 20th century rules. I don't think that saber-rattling by either China or Russia need concern us too much. Today's wars are won in the board-rooms of giant multinational corporations, not by dropping bombs or sending in boots on the ground. The Soviet Union collapsed because its centralized economy was a total, abysmal failure. The US didn't need to drop a bomb or even to threaten invasion. On the other hand, take a look at Iraq where we are, stupidly, still using early 20th century tactics. The thing that the Western world (USA, UK, G-7 nations etc.) has to fear is that China may outpace Japan, So. Korea and the rest of South Asia economically, especially in terms of exports and GDP. If that happens, the US had better look to its laurels. Our economy is in the toilet now and getting worse and worse under the Bush family leadership. There's the real threat, not in a few joint exercises by former Communist allies who still use tanks that can be put out of action by antiquated heat-seeking missiles.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2005 06:59 pm
Yes, mmmm. Very interesting Merry. You win political post of the day. Nobody has given me something new to think about for a while. Lots of things are stiring and there not the headlines.

Your post made me read your profile. Wow! What a women. One badass babe.
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squinney
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2005 07:21 pm
Um, Merry is a fella I do believe. But, still badass all the way. Very Happy


(Please don't tell me after 5 years, that I'm the last to know Andrew is a female! )

Interesting side to the thread, and not to throw it's direction... This is biblical according to many evangelical interpretations with Russia (the bear) and China and it's miilions of soldiers joining forces.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Thu 20 Oct, 2005 12:51 am
Oh my god. I'm gay.
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panzade
 
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Reply Thu 20 Oct, 2005 01:04 am
and pretty funny
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Amigo
 
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Reply Thu 20 Oct, 2005 01:13 am
Thanks
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Thu 20 Oct, 2005 03:27 am
Don't worry about it, Amigo. I'm straight but not homophobic. People do occasionally fail to realize that 'merry' is an adjective, not my first name.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Thu 20 Oct, 2005 05:21 pm
Oh my God! I'm gay and illiterate.

Quite a profile Andrew. You can count on me picking your brain on some subjects. You most be modest to have that experience and be so quit or is it the people that run there mouth the most don't know what the hell there talking about. Nice to meet you.

What do you think about Robert Fisk?
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Thu 20 Oct, 2005 08:01 pm
Mostly I don't think about Robert Fisk at all.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Thu 20 Oct, 2005 08:09 pm
I heard him talk on the radio today and seen that you were a reporter. Just wondered.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2006 12:34 am
It's strange. Merry Andrew's handle begins with "Merry," but I had misread it a long time ago (either on Abuzz, or early on here on A2K) as "Mary."

I just recently discovered from watching an episode of "He Knew He Was Right" on "Masterpiece Theatre" that "Merry Andrew" is a term for someone who's always jesting, or frivolous. Ironically, it was used rather negatively by one character, who was a heel, about another, who was genuine, and kind hearted.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2006 03:32 am
Hi, IB. I was prompted to adopt that nom-de-net by a Danny Kaye movie, believe it or not. My name does happen to be Andrew. Hey, what happened to the purpoted subject of this thread? This wasn't supposed to be about me.
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