Ah, then I disagree with you, GS, I don't think the forms are dull or overbearing, by themselves, more re the context - the overbearingness has reason, which I am not always for --- I am instead yammering about their seemingly infinite imposition into context.
Y'all talking about turd aethetics and I am talking about the plaza with the community as an art in itself, and the placement of the "turd" over time - is time immemorial or momentary?