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FARMERMAN, can't answer that question. The properties of reality are the properties of everything, even real dreams. Violet Lake. Your formula is tempting, but every time I go to sleep I seem to be in the same body as the dream I had the night before.
Violet, I think it's more like waking up with the same mental state as when you went to sleep. If you went to sleep as Jane and woke up as Judy, you've got problems in reality. The body's the same. c.i.
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C.I. One of the reasons I like to take a monistic approach to "reality"--to consider it to be everything, every experience--such that mirages are REAL mirages. So long as we don't interpret them as bodies of water, we're o.k.. I understand that one has a psychological problem with "reality" if she goes to sleep as Jane and awakens as Judy. But philosophically speaking the shift in identity is still a reality--a real shift. I also understand that if everything is "real", then there is no reason to even have the term; there's got to be something that's unreal to give meaning to the real. But that's too bad. Reality is just--I think you said it once--what is.
And if something is not; that's a reality too.
So, it would seem that I have no real philosophical use for the concept of reality. But I still use it in the everyday relative sense, to compare it with unreality. Similarly, I use "nature"--even though I consider everything to be natural--in comparison with supernatural.
But I do like the term Ultimate Reality. Be damned if I could tell you why.
JLN, It's not that any perception we have isn't reality, but that it has a place in psychoanalysis. c.i.
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C.I. that's right, of course. By the way, there was a comedian on the TV last night that said an intelligent joke (probably not unrelated to this discussion). A fan of the magician, David Copperfield, thought he saw his idol on the street, and rushed through traffic to greet him and perhaps get his autograph. When he came up behind him and touched his shoulder, the man turned around--it was not David Copperfield. The fan then thought to himself, "Man, he's good."
Quote:And if something is not; that's a reality too.
How so? I can see that the concept of something unreal is a reality, but a concept isn't equal to flesh & bone when attempting to measure reality objectively.
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Violet, I'm not sure I understand your objection, but if I maintain that there is a horse in my bedroom and a neighbor insists there isn't. Only one of our claims is realistic. And until we examine the room we must assume that it could be either one.
What if you maintained that there is a horse (born on the moon and given to you as a gift by John Glenn) in your bedroom? Would we still need to examine the room?
It doesn't really matter if the horse in your room exists or not,
as long as you enjoy the ride.
While riding my motorcycle through Kansas, I saw a tornado far across the field. It twisted and turned, seemingly towards me, so I rode faster and faster to pass it safely behind. Heart pumping, wind roaring, I gradually pulled astride of the dusty funnel. It was menacing, a swirling column that looked like the dirty exhaust from a large chimney, which is what it turned out to be.
It was an excellent tornado and I enjoyed it immensely.
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Violet Lake. Very clever. But I'm not arguing that absurdities are just as likely to be real as are non-absurd events. We know, on the basis of experience that horses cannot procreate on the moon, or be transported to earth. That is to say that we already KNOW that your hypothetical is nonsense (as you intended it to be), but a horse in my bedroom is not absurd, just unusual. So, your hypothetical is unhelpful; mine is. By the way, CodeBorg:
And I'm not arguing about the horse in your bedroom
There are more significant things about "reality" that we can agree on without visiting your bedroom.
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Now you're being facetious. You know I am not talking about my bedroom--although I am proud of it. I'm talking about logical inferences, using useful (non-absurd) fictions as communication tools. Now, Please!
I'm not being facetious, at least not intentionally. I agree that we would have to visit your bedroom to verify your assertion (if we cared enough) that your reality includes having a horse in your bedroom.
If I tell you that this morning I woke up in the same body that I went to sleep in the night before, you wouldn't have to run an experiment to be sure. That's reality.
The relationship between fact (& truth) and reality is interesting, but they are not the same thing.
I think, perhaps the point that you two (jl & violet) are dancing around (and missing
) is that "reality is relative, and subjective.
One person's "unreality" can be another person's "bloody nose"
BoGo, No violence, please.
c.i.
KaKa-Peality--That person or thing which is real (duh) a fact.
Not me , its the good ole dictionary.
Facts are indesputable, have physical, conceptual, mathematical , or design properties.
Im too busy using the fact that the cesium ion vibrates, and the fact that this property is usable is a definition ad testis.
We dont need to discuss this as philosophy, but as a point of law, wherein I feel quite comfortable about the property of reality is "indisputable fact", NOT TRUTH. (If its truth you want, take Dr Nobody"s class, hes down the hall)=I. Jones (of course I paraphrase)
BoGoWo, we're not missing the point, but we are dancing around it. Sometimes it's more fun to dance for meaning than pointing out the obvious & going no further.
Yeah, like none of us saw "Godfather." re: horse in the house/bed.
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