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Is This Another of Bushs' Bitches Or What?

 
 
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2005 12:25 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
You're missing the point - completely! "...who share his world view..." is absolutely absurd! I don't share "world view" with my siblings or wife!

Are you alright? You're not making sense, even granted that you disagree with me. The presidengt has a total right to appoint judges that share his political outlook, and this has been the usual practice since America came into existence.


so then why all the talk about strict constructionist and all ?? that makes no sense at all if what you really mean is "we want a conservative that ignores the constitution and rules in favor of our ideology".

why don't you guys just be honest and say that ?
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2005 01:24 pm
Because that's not what we mean. What we mean is so trivially obvious, that I'm amazed I have to spoonfeed it to you. Most of us do believe very much in strict constructionism, but, inevitably, the judge's view still has some effect from time to time. Now run along and look for ways to interpret this as an endorsement of Satan worship or whatever.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2005 02:41 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
Because that's not what we mean. What we mean is so trivially obvious, that I'm amazed I have to spoonfeed it to you. Most of us do believe very much in strict constructionism, but, inevitably, the judge's view still has some effect from time to time. Now run along and look for ways to interpret this as an endorsement of Satan worship or whatever.


over reacting, much? wtf does satan have to do with it ?

nothing, that's what.

you've stated a preference for conservative judges, have you not ?

a strict constructionist, the way people are using it means, or should mean, according to the constitution. which is neither a liberal or a conservative document. it is an american document. meant to grant freedom to all americans, not just the majority and not just the minority.

since the only people i hear demanding a "strict constructionist" be appointed are conservatives and ultra-conservatives, ya don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand what is really meant.

so there. Laughing
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2005 02:51 pm
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
Because that's not what we mean. What we mean is so trivially obvious, that I'm amazed I have to spoonfeed it to you. Most of us do believe very much in strict constructionism, but, inevitably, the judge's view still has some effect from time to time. Now run along and look for ways to interpret this as an endorsement of Satan worship or whatever.


over reacting, much? wtf does satan have to do with it ?

nothing, that's what.

you've stated a preference for conservative judges, have you not ?

a strict constructionist, the way people are using it means, or should mean, according to the constitution. which is neither a liberal or a conservative document. it is an american document. meant to grant freedom to all americans, not just the majority and not just the minority.

since the only people i hear demanding a "strict constructionist" be appointed are conservatives and ultra-conservatives, ya don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand what is really meant.

so there. Laughing

Now you're stating without any supporting evidence that people who want the document to be taken for what it says, not for some shape it can be stretched into, have an evil, ulterior motive. The following facts remain obvious:

1. The president has the right to appoint judges that share his opinions.
2. Even within the framework of strict constructionism, the judge's basic political orientation has some effect.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2005 03:01 pm
"Even within the framework of strict constructionism, the judges basic political orientation has some effect."

Nobody has argued this point. There's a big difference between "the world views" of the president, and his world view on any nominee to the SC.

However, having said that, judges are representative of all the people of America - not only his political views. To that extent, judges must follow the Constitution and stare decisis in all their decisions. If he/she lets his political views influence his/her decision, he no longer represents all the people.

We are all well aware of how the SC interceded in the Florida elections. That was one of the weakness of the Supreme Court - not its strength.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2005 03:07 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
"Even within the framework of strict constructionism, the judges basic political orientation has some effect."

Nobody has argued this point. There's a big difference between "the world views" of the president, and his world view on any nominee to the SC.

However, having said that, judges are representative of all the people of America - not only his political views. To that extent, judges must follow the Constitution and stare decisis in all their decisions. If he/she lets his political views influence his/her decision, he no longer represents all the people.

We are all well aware of how the SC interceded in the Florida elections. That was one of the weakness of the Supreme Court - not its strength.

Judges should obey the law, not make law. They should follow what the document says, not what they wish it said. However, even given all of that, a judge's basic outlook has some effect. That is why presidents usually appoint judges that share their outlook, as is their right. This thread is the sour grapes of poor losers.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2005 03:25 pm
Brandon, Even though you may copy my posts, you fail to read and understand their content. Here again: "However, having said that, judges are representative of all the people of America - not only his political views. To that extent, judges must follow the Constitution and stare decisis in all their decisions."

This means to "follow the laws of this country."
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2005 04:07 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Brandon, Even though you may copy my posts, you fail to read and understand their content. Here again: "However, having said that, judges are representative of all the people of America - not only his political views. To that extent, judges must follow the Constitution and stare decisis in all their decisions."

This means to "follow the laws of this country."

Even agreeing totally that a judge must follow only the law, inevitably his general outlook will influence his decisions sometimes.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2005 04:14 pm
That's a given; history proves that.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2005 04:19 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
That's a given; history proves that.

That's why even presidents who believe in strict construction try to appoint judges who share their political views.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2005 04:21 pm
Brandon, The merry-go-round has made its tenth round. I'm jumping off now.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2005 04:57 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Brandon, The merry-go-round has made its tenth round. I'm jumping off now.

Thanks for the forfeit.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2005 05:03 pm
Brandon 9000.... In his heart, you know he's right Laughing
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2005 05:10 pm
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
Brandon 9000.... In his heart, you know he's right Laughing

It seems to me that you have very few arguments to support your ideas, and tend to use snappy lines instead. I am not a bit surprised that you have trouble supporting your views.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2005 05:32 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
Brandon 9000.... In his heart, you know he's right Laughing

It seems to me that you have very few arguments to support your ideas, and tend to use snappy lines instead. I am not a bit surprised that you have trouble supporting your views.


just like the gop....
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2005 05:41 pm
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
Brandon 9000.... In his heart, you know he's right Laughing

It seems to me that you have very few arguments to support your ideas, and tend to use snappy lines instead. I am not a bit surprised that you have trouble supporting your views.


just like the gop....

Another unsubstantiated claim. You really shouldn't post here if you're incapable of actual debate. A person who aspires to state his points and oppose those of his rivals, but chooses never to back up either is simply making posts that, from a debating viewpoint, are invalid and meaningless. Let me know when you can compete.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2005 06:22 pm
Brandon you are not my rival and we are not in competition of any kind. I have no wish to debate a bush bobble head. I'm just having fun while stating my opinion, and the way you rise to the bait makes it just that much more amusing to me. My opinions on bush are set in stone, as yours are.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2005 06:33 pm
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
Brandon you are not my rival and we are not in competition of any kind. I have no wish to debate a bush bobble head. I'm just having fun while stating my opinion, and the way you rise to the bait makes it just that much more amusing to me. My opinions on bush are set in stone, as yours are.

You are neither more nor less than a debater who fears to try and back up what he says. In a place where others actually debate, your posts are of no significance.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2005 06:38 pm
ignore them then, oh mighty one, but when you insist on debating (?) with one you claim is so unworthy a person one could get the idea that you were merely trying to bolster your own fragile self esteem. :wink:
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2005 06:39 pm
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
ignore them then, oh mighty one, but when you insist on debating (?) with one you claim is so unworthy a person one could get the idea that you were merely trying to bolster your own fragile self esteem. :wink:


So again I invite you to ignore me if you can control your impulses.
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