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Trump 2024: What he said, what he did, what happened

 
 
Lash
 
  1  
Mon 27 Jan, 2025 08:23 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Israel is very tired of Musk’s X allowing criticism of Israel—and sharing footage of the truth about Israelis starting the violence in Amsterdam etc.

Israel owns Trump.

I don’t think Elon will make it another month in the King’s grace.

I was wrong about this.
Lash
 
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Mon 27 Jan, 2025 08:32 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

The MAGAs are waking up about trusting their party heroes.
Trump, Elon, and Vivek have infuriated half of them.

Lefties are trying to attract them to a Workers’ Party.
Yay!!

Vivek never made another public comment after his disastrous H1B slur against American workers.

He was effectively dismissed from Trumpworld.
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Lash
 
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Mon 27 Jan, 2025 10:56 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Former President Trump posted a video of Jeffrey Sachs (left-leaning geopolitical analyst) referring to Netanyahu as a "deep dark son of a bitch" and also said that Netanyahu had been responsible for pushing the US into several wars / military misadventures in the Middle East.

As a result, Netanyahu canceled plans to attend Trump’s Inauguration.

This is YUGE.

Days after this, it is being widely reported (inferred from great wailing and gnashing of teeth by Ben Givr, Smotrich and various other Israeli politicians) that Trump ‘forced’ Netanyahu to accept the ceasefire plan that Israel has rejected three times over the past year.

Nobody can say definitively that this has happened or that this incredible deal will hold, but if it does, it is a lightning strike for the incoming administration and a load of **** piled on the outgoing government and its party.

In my wildest dreams, Trump sees how life for the Palestinian people must change and gives them back their land and freedom. But I’m thinking Israel will assassinate him for this.


This is the happiest I’ve ever been about something Trump did. I still didn’t think it would hold and did not suggest anyone vote for him.
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hightor
 
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Mon 27 Jan, 2025 11:03 am
@Lash,
Quote:
I was wrong about this.

That's not surprising. You have a habit of jumping to conclusions based on offhand, but very opinionated, remarks made on social media. For instance, Rubenstein's remark here:
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Trump appears to be bending Israel over and shoving a ceasefire down their throat while he’s at it. Zionists are losing their minds on X right now

The comment was interesting, and worth sharing. Many of us were puzzled at Trump's behavior, especially when you add the Sachs comments that he reposted. Notice, however, that Rubenstein said that Trump appeared to be sticking it to Netanyahu. True enough. But didn't the history of US support for Israel raise a cautionary flag for you? Why not post the comments with provisional agreement, and wait a day or two to see where the story actual goes? Instead of pretending that you have impeccable sources and coming across as a know-it-all why not assume a tiny bit of humility in the face of rapidly changing events on multiple fronts which can be viewed from many different angles?

EDIT: I wrote before you posted your third comment.
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izzythepush
 
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Mon 27 Jan, 2025 12:22 pm
@Lash,
About what, Musk lasting or Trump being owned by Israel?

You were wrong about both.

By putting everything down to some international Jewish conspiracy you're effectively absolving America of any blame.

It's total bullshit.

America uses Israel to project its power in the ME.

It's a base in the Med America can use when it's too unsavoury a mission to fly from Cyprus.

America has the money, not Israel, America gives arms to Israel to support its own arms industry.

You are not remotely interested in left wing politics, if you were you'd start taking some accountability for your country's actions.

You voted for Dubya's second term after he had launched his illegal invasion of Iraq.

The "Jews" had nothing to do with that, it was all down to you.

And I can't shift the feeling that if you had been at Saturday's protests we would have been on opposite sides.

If you really want to support left wing causes drop the antisemitic horseshit and focus on doing something about the obscenely rich.

That's the real issue.
engineer
 
  4  
Mon 27 Jan, 2025 01:29 pm
@izzythepush,
That's the thing about conspiracy theorists. They have to simultaneously believe that the bad guy (Israel, US, Hamas, whoever) is simultaneously brilliant and all powerful while being completely inept. The US deep state is going to assassinate Trump, but they are going to use mentally deranged idiots to do it. Israel is totally controlling the US government and Musk even though he is in Europe supporting modern day Nazis.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Mon 27 Jan, 2025 02:30 pm
@engineer,
The worst thing about conspiracy theories is they obscure the real reasons. Look at all the resources wasted on whether or not the planes could do what we'd seen them do with our own eyes, instead of looking at the ineptness of the Bush regime and the use of the Patriot Act to stifle dissent.
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Lash
 
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Mon 27 Jan, 2025 04:23 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

About what, Musk lasting or Trump being owned by Israel?
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Musk

You were wrong about both.
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No, you are wrong about Trump.

By putting everything down to some international Jewish conspiracy you're effectively absolving America of any blame.
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Each person who takes a bribe and betrays the people who entrusted them to do a job with their interests uppermost is to blame. Our entire Congress (with the possible exclusion of one) and at least two of the presidential candidates have done so—and they are to blame.

It's total bullshit.
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It’s undeniably true.

America uses Israel to project its power in the ME.
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Many people believe that. It seems plausible. Whistleblowers who served in our intelligence and military for the past 50 years are speaking out. Israel pressed for the Iraq war. Israel runs this country. Out Constitution is being attacked and likely altered due to Israel’s demands. Our wars in the Middle East benefit Greater Israel.


America has the money, not Israel, America gives arms to Israel to support its own arms industry.
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Israel directs US foreign policy.

You are not remotely interested in left wing politics, if you were you'd start taking some accountability for your country's actions.
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LOL

You voted for Dubya's second term after he had launched his illegal invasion of Iraq.
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Congress stood on the steps of the Capitol, held hands, and cheered it on. I think one Congresswoman voted against it. Some people suspected the casus belli was a lie. I didn’t. You continue to act like this scores some kind of point with me. It doesn’t. It makes you ridiculous. That was one vote 20ish years ago. I didn’t know just how corrupt our govt / media was then. I know now.

The "Jews" had nothing to do with that, it was all down to you.
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LOL! I started the Iraq war all by myself. I’m so powerful. I guess that’s why you’re obsessed with me. Smh. That’s a lot of pearl clutching.

I’ve never said “The Jews” had anything to do with anything. I support several Jewish groups who are also beaten in the streets by Zionists and arrested for supporting a free Palestine. Plenty of brave wonderful Jews Risk their freedom and their safety to protest apartheid Israel and the wholesale slaughter of Palestinians, Lebanese, and Syrian families by Israeli Zionists. The Israeli Zionists, and their co-conspirators in America, are guilty of murder, chaos, disgusting ethnic cleansing and much more I won’t mention.

And I can't shift the feeling that if you had been at Saturday's protests we would have been on opposite sides.
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Your feelings don’t matter.

If you really want to support left wing causes drop the antisemitic horseshit and focus on doing something about the obscenely rich.
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You are antisemitic to equate lovely Jewish people with Zionists. Repent.


izzythepush
 
  4  
Mon 27 Jan, 2025 04:30 pm
@Lash,
There were plenty opposed to the war on A2K.

You are the only person I know who supported the illegal war.

At least then you were being honest.
Lash
 
  -2  
Mon 27 Jan, 2025 06:11 pm
@izzythepush,
I bet my life if it’d been Clinton’s war, they’d have cheered it on.

Evidence—the practical silence here about Biden’s genocide.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Tue 28 Jan, 2025 03:24 am
@Lash,
All you have in response is fantasy.

That's been your position throughout.

Anyone who voted for Dubya's second war doesn't give a **** about Arab peoples.

Your feigned support for Palestine is convenient and recent.

Which is why you've never done anything to support them materially.

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hightor
 
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Tue 28 Jan, 2025 03:45 am
@Lash,
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I bet my life if it’d been Clinton’s war, they’d have cheered it on.

Fantasy. That's a pretty empty wager. I bet your life that they wouldn't have.
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Evidence—the practical silence here about Biden’s genocide

And who here cheered it on?
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Tue 28 Jan, 2025 06:47 am
@Lash,
If anything it was an uncofortable silence because most realised, as has transpired that, Trump would be a lot worse.

And I've been vocal throughout.
Lash
 
  -2  
Tue 28 Jan, 2025 07:03 am
@izzythepush,
You were the only one.
There’s no excuse for silence in the face of this genocide.
And I know you know that.

Speaking of:

I’m free! I wrote this on the plane and I’m posting it just after landing at Istanbul. On Monday evening I was brought to Zurich airport in handcuffs, in a small metal cage inside a windowless prison van and led all the way to the plane by police. This is after three days and two nights in a Swiss prison cut off from communication with the outside world, in a cell 24 hours a day with one cell mate, not even permitted to contact my family.

On Saturday in a police interview in the presence of my lawyer they accused me of “offending against Swiss law” without ever telling me what crime I had committed in Switzerland or listing any charges. As far as I know I have not been charged with any crime whatsoever and I was held in “administrative detention.”

On Sunday morning, they took me from my cell for questioning by Swiss defense ministry intelligence agents without the presence of my lawyer, and they again refused to allow me to contact her or my family. I refused to talk to them without my lawyer and told them take me back to my cell. During my imprisonment I refused every meal and every cup of coffee or tea they offered me except the last meal, after I knew I would be going home. I accepted only water, which is the right of every human being.

All of this was after I was abducted off the street around 1:30pm on Saturday while on my way to the Palestine teach-in by undercover agents, handcuffed, forced into an unmarked car and sped straight to the prison. My “crime”? Being a journalist who speaks up for Palestine and against Israel’s genocide and settler-colonial savagery and those who aid and abet it.

I came to Switzerland at the invitation of Swiss citizens to talk about justice for Palestine, to talk about accountability for a genocide in which Switzerland too is complicit. But while I was hauled off to prison like a dangerous criminal before I even had a chance to say a word, the Israeli president Isaac Herzog, who declared at the start of the genocide that there are no civilians in Gaza, no innocents, received a red carpet welcome in Davos, a carpet soaked in the blood of the more than 47,000 known victims of the genocide and the thousands more still under the rubble, or who died of deliberately inflicted starvation and denial of medical care.

And on this very day Netanyahu freely travels to Poland to make a mockery of the Auschwitz commemoration despite an outstanding ICC arrest warrant. That is the perverse, unjust world we live in. This ordeal lasted three days but that taste of prison was more than enough to leave me in even greater awe of the Palestinian heroes who endure months and years in the prisons of the genocidal oppressor. More than ever I know that the debt we owe them is one we can never repay and all of them must be free and they must remain our focus.

The police gave me my phone back only at the gate of the plane so I’m only seeing now the extent of the overwhelming support and solidarity from all over the world. I’m deeply grateful to each and every person who stood up for me. I’m especially grateful to my lawyer Dina Raewel and her team, to our friends in Zurich who I learned afterwards demonstrated outside the prison, to my family and my colleagues at EI and so many others. I honestly had no idea what was happening outside that concrete room! Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I want to tell the whole story of what happened, perhaps in an @intifada livestream in the next day or two, because I think it’s important for people to know the depths to which their Western so-called “democracies” have sunk in the abject service of genocidal Zionism.

Right now I’m glad to be on my way home. I’m looking forward to hugging my mom and dad, taking a shower and sleeping in my own bed. Journalism is not a crime! Speaking out for Palestine is not a crime! Standing against racist genocidal Zionism is not a crime! Say it with me:

From the River to the Sea Palestine Will Be Free!

Ali Abunimah

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Lash
 
  -2  
Tue 28 Jan, 2025 07:11 am
You can now be arrested in Switzerland of all places for preferring peace to mass murder and having the audacity to say so.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 28 Jan, 2025 07:18 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
You can now be arrested in Switzerland of all places for preferring peace to mass murder and having the audacity to say so.
The Zurich cantonal police arrested the US citizen on Saturday because he was banned from entering the country.
The entry ban (known as an ‘Einreisesperre’ in Switzerland) is an official order that prohibits a person from entering the territory of Switzerland.
A violation of an entry ban to Switzerland is punishable under Article 115 of the FNIA and can be punished with a fine or a prison sentence of up to one year. In addition, the entry ban can be extended by the authorities. Harsher penalties may be imposed for repeated offences.

Sources: media, press release Zürich cantonal police, Swiss law
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 28 Jan, 2025 07:51 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
You can now be arrested in Switzerland ...
An arrest due to "Einreisesperre" is Swiss law at least since March, 26 1931.
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Lash
 
  -2  
Tue 28 Jan, 2025 07:56 am
@Walter Hinteler,
And what was his crime that he was barred from entering their country?
And did they inform him before travel?
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Tue 28 Jan, 2025 08:12 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
And what was his crime that he was barred from entering their country?
As far as I remember from international law, every country can decide who it lets in or not.
The relevant Swiss legal ordinances and laws provide all the necessary information on this (online).
The publication of reasons for arrest is apparently different in Switzerland than in the USA. You should start a petition to change that.

Lash wrote:
And did they inform him before travel?
See above.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Tue 28 Jan, 2025 08:32 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Lash wrote:
And did they inform him before travel?
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If you are intending to come to Switzerland, the State Secretariat for Migration recommends that you check the entry requirements before travelling.
Swiss Confederation
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