Sturgis wrote:Frank Apisa wrote:
There are lots of things you cannot figure out, Sturgis.
In fact, if there is anyone in this forum who should be thinking about the implications of the question posed in this thread...you are it!
You are a homosexual who "worships" a god who considers your conduct to be an abomination...and decrees death as a penalty for doing what you do.
And you are an advocate for American conservatism, a discipline populated by people who would not lift a finger in defense of your chosen life style...and who probably wish that the aforementioned decree of your god would become part of the laws of our land.
But...what can one expect for someone who thinks George Bush is not a pathetic, moronic, incompetent....but that Hillary Clinton is?
BBB...the answer to your question is here...right in front of you in the person of Sturgis. All you've gotta do is figure out why such self-hatred exists.
You know FrankApisa, self-hatred is a rather strong allegation. Take a closer look at me, I do not hate myself. I have my beliefs and they are mine, you have yours and they are yours. Where in this do you find an appearance of self-hatred? For the record I have a number of Conservative friends who know of my sexuality and who attend the church of their choice on a regular basis and they do not shun me as you would like to believe. These good people have had me and at times various gentlemen friends over for dinner, on weekend outings and even let me watch their children for a few hours while they are enjoying a night on the town. I have been known to sleep in the same room as heterosexual conservative males

and oddly I found in the morning I had not been beaten or harmed. Equally I have known some so called liberal minded folk who think my being a homosexual is just fine and dandy provided I don't spend any time alone in the same room as their male family members...even the adult ones. Liberal men that I know who wait until I have departed a public restroom before they will go in. Oh yeah I can see where those Liberals are my salvation

. I have made clear in the past that the God who I believe in is not taking my sexuality and declaring it a sin. If you have trouble with that then that is your issue, not mine.
Rationalization is a dangerous thing, Sturgis.
In any case, I am sure there are American conservatives who are understanding and reasonable with regard to homosexuality. That does not make the vast preponderance of American conservatives understanding and reasonable in that area.
I am sure you are able to find fellow theists who are understanding and reasonable about homosexual conduct..but insofar as you claim your god is the god of the Bible...you are dead wrong that your god does not declare your homosexuality a sin.
But...delude yourself if you choose. I have no problem with that.
The question here present, however, is "Why do people vote against their self interests?"...and I am using you and your take on things as part of my response to BBB. (RexRed has an almost identical situation...and an identical take, by the way.)
My personal opinion is that much of this kind of behavior is the result of self-hatred. Certainly I am not saying this is absolute and always the case...and if I am wrong in your situation...so be it.
But the fact that you are an American conservative in the face of the kinds of responses to homosexuality coming out of the vast preponderance of American conservatism...is bizarre. To worship a god who condemns your behavior....is even more bizarre. To deny the reality of all this simply goes beyond bizarre...to whatever comes next on that continuum.