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Why did the US realy go to War?

 
 
Jihad
 
Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 10:34 am
---Why was there really a war?The 911 links to Iraq were a myth. The WMD were a myth. The charges about uranium were out right lies. Spreading democracy is a joke, as it is we don't even have fair elections here and there is no way it will happen in Iraq. So why the hell did we go there?

Operation Iraqi Liberation, spelled OIL, is one popular reason, but this is not the main reason. Corporate profiteering is at an all time high, and there is no corporation as large as the military industrial complex. Even the bloated pentagon budget and pork projects for lobbyist PACs and cabinet members are not the main reason for the war. All these things were extra incentives for the crooks that run our government but not the main reason for the war.

The stock market allows for a whole new loophole, a whole new concrete method for the ties between big business and government. All a politician has to do is pass legislation favorable to the companies s/he has stock in or works for to gain huge profits. This has made our government up for rent. Any war would work for this end, even a cold war. So why Iraq?

The United States’ unconditional support of Israel is one of the main reasons for the attacks on 9/11. If you want to win a war on drugs then you have got to go after the causes of drug use, not just the users. If you don't want your nation attacked then start by stopping your attacks on other nations.

If you really want to stop terrorism then why don’t we stop financing the Zionist bigots in Israel who are using US weapons, ironically named after American Indians, to do to a people exactly what the US did to the Indians, which was the greatest crime in all of history (tomohawks, Blackhawk, apache helicopters. Here in the US we don’t study history we rationalize it, or sometimes we just lie about it.

Israel receives around ten million dollars a day from the United States. Most people do not know this and if they did, considering the current state of the economy and the unethical uses of the money, I am sure they would not want it sent there.

So what are the real reasons for this war, and the sending of this money? Answering this question is easy, all one has to do is look at who will profit the most. Currently the bulk (75%) of the money sent to Israel must be spent on US weapons. The US arms industry is using the on going conflict to make more money.

The weapons industry is a business and like any other giant US corporation they are corrupt and care nothing about human rights or public welfare, they only care about profits. This is not simply a problem with accounting or confused CEOs. This is a problem with purposefully immoral people who have realized that the American judicial system often places money over ethics. We are all suffering from the greed of upper class America. No industry is as dangerous as the weapons industry, because they are in the business of killing. A protracted war benefits arms and energy companies.

The anti-occupation forces in Iraq will never stop and why should they? This war is not winnable short of genocide. There is no legitimate reason for the US to be occupying another country. People should be in jail for the lies or incorrect information, which has lead to the death of 100,000 Iraqi civilians and billions of dollars and over 1,430 American lives.

Our fat cats get fatter and the religious flocks and blind patriots continue to support them because the only information they can get on the war is from our Zionist-owned media. Large corporations who do not give a damn about humanity or freedom run our country.

There have always been people for and against war throughout history. A deeper question might be how do we ever convince thousands of absolute strangers to go kill each other? It is one thing to be attacked like Crazy Horse was attacked by Custer and he defeated him. What about the people who are attacking, why did they risk their lives and for what?


It’s a combination of greed and manipulation. Then there is that ever present need for vicarious masculinity, which the chicken hawk feed on daily. The State becomes an extension of their ego. The war party takes glee in saying they will kick our enemies’ asses. “Ah we should just ‘nuke them, or make a nice lake". I have actually heard these phrases spoken by grown adults. Not stupid people either. I mean business men who just get frustrated and want that oh so quick and satisfying answer of blowing the hell out of people, you know, showing them who is boss. I blame that on authoritarianism but also, we need to separate intelligence from compassion. A person can be smart but have the moral compass of a nazi. The insecurities manifested in numerous ways have gotten many people; both smart and dumb, to have a greater need for an ego boost than for a caring relationship for humanity and the planet. Caring is considered 'weak.'

Western science and religions have both made a clean break with and a war on relationships with nature. The endless pursuit of shiny things, i.e. status through ownership, has lead to a nation of islands. No one see that personal comforts and private interests cannot be a blindfold to our relationship to world events and changes in our environment. But the head in the sand apathy is allowing a minority of evil people, evolutionarily parasites, to gather the sheep for battle, as they get off on their wargasm.


People don't think of what is just and then act. They act and then think of how to justify it. Greed and envy will rationalize everything. Another part of the puzzle is that war has become distant. Technology allows the horror of war to be separated by machines from the individual. It's easier to drop a bomb than to run in and get blood on your hands. It’s becoming game like.

On the bright side, man has evolved in some areas. Northern Europe, for example and many of the island nations are not going to war on their own without US manipulation. As long as we have a culture that bases its human worth on occupational income and property, we are going to hell. Yes, property has become a method of gaining status with others and with one's self. What we need is a value system that places prestige in compassion, intelligence, creativity, and actual aspects of character rather than on material gain and ability to take from others.
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Montana
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 10:37 am
"Why did the US really go to war?"


That's easy. Because George W. Bush is a nut case!
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Jihad
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 10:40 am
Well that is probably one of the best reasons. :wink:
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 11:07 am
Why did the US realy go to War?

Probably because it couldn't spell really.

BBB
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 11:10 am
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Why did the US realy go to War?

Probably because it couldn't spell really.

BBB
That explains it! I lost the spelling bee because I couldn't spell really.

No, reely I coutent. Must be a genrull prolbem with all us conservtives.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 11:23 am
us went to war to make the rich Bush family even richer.
the us went to war because it is full of people who swallow everything they are told and dont question authority. They believed in terrorisim. They believed in alot of crap. Never questioned it, but killed for it.
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 11:38 am
I wouldn't go so far as to say I believe in terrorism. Snow White and the Eight dwarfs (why does everybody always forget Poppy, the drug addicted dwarf) now those guys I believe in.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 11:44 am
Laughing

yeah. I believe in terrorisim as well..
the examples are all over the globe. You :realy : cant deny it.


: i have to leave this thread now. hehe.. cant do the politics thing.. :
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squinney
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 11:52 am
Sturgis wrote:
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Why did the US realy go to War?

Probably because it couldn't spell really.

BBB
That explains it! I lost the spelling bee because I couldn't spell really.

No, reely I coutent. Must be a genrull prolbem with all us conservtives.



Shocked

Sturgis? Did you start a new ID as "Jihad?"
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 12:04 pm
squinney wrote:
Sturgis wrote:
That explains it! I lost the spelling bee because I couldn't spell really.

No, reel/really I coutent/couldn't. Must be a genrull/general
prolbem/problem with all us conservatives/sainted leaders.



Sturgis? Did you start a new ID as "Jihad?"


No. Although it would give me extra retaliatory ammunition in my vast right wing conspiracy to get Marvin Bush elected in '08 Twisted Evil
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squinney
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 02:35 pm
Marvin who?
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 02:37 pm
Squinney
squinney wrote:
Marvin who?


Marvin is George's black sheep brother. He seems to take after mother Barbara's side of the family.

BBB
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 02:55 pm
Marvin?
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Tue 30 Aug, 2005 03:09 pm
Bella Dea wrote:
Marvin?
Often referred to as Piercer (I made that up) he is the Presidents younger brother and should be about 50 or so next year.

CNN link

nndb link

http://www.evote.com/evotepix/notours/marvin_and_george_bush.jpg
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2005 03:31 pm
George Bush is fallible just like the rest of us. However, let’s compare George Bush with Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale, Michael Dukakis, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, and Hillary Clinton. In comparison with these folks, George Bush is a genius and paragon of virtue.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2005 03:33 pm
THE PSYCHOLOGICAL CONFLICT BETWEEN COLLECTIVISTS AND INDIVIDUALISTS

Some people think perpetrators, their victims, and society are all responsible for the crimes perpetrators commit.

While other people think only perpetrators are responsible for the crimes they commit.

The psychological problem is that some think perpetrators are caused to be criminals by psychological forces not under control of the perpetrators’ own free wills.

While others think perpetrators are caused to be criminals by psychological forces under control of the perpetrators’ own free will.

Some think holding only perpetrators responsible for their crimes corrupts collective responsibility, encourages resentment, and promotes crime.

While others think failure to hold only perpetrators responsible for their crimes corrupts individual responsibility, encourages cowardice, and promotes crime.

I think Ayn Rand was about right! We are in the midst of a conflict between collectivists and individualists. If the collectivists win, we shall all – those that survive -- be uniformly miserable, and be uniformly held responsible for all that any of us perpetrate. If the individualists win, almost all of us except collectivists and perpetrators will be happier.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2005 03:39 pm
FROM SOURCE #3

The attacks on September 11 kill almost 3,000 in a series of hijacked airliner crashes into two U.S. landmarks: the World Trade Center in New York City, New York, and The Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia. A fourth plane crashes in Somerset County, Pennsylvania.

The night of 9/11, the President broadcast to the nation that we will not distinguish between terrorists and those who harbor them.

The night of 9/20, the President Bush broadcast to the nation and to a joint session of the Congress that: our enemy is a radical network of terrorists, and every government that supports them; that it is civilization’s fight to punish this radical network; and that we ask every nation to join us in this fight.


On 10/25, the pre-9/11 draft presidential directive on al Qaeda evolved into a new directive, National Security Presidential Directive 9, now titled "Defeating the Terrorist Threat to the United States." The directive would now extend to a global war on terrorism, not just on al Qaeda. It also incorporated the President's determination not to distinguish between terrorists and those who harbor them. It included a determination to use military force if necessary to end al Qaeda's sanctuary in Afghanistan. The new directive -- formally signed on October 25, after the fighting in Afghanistan had already begun -- included new material followed by annexes discussing each targeted terrorist group. The old draft directive on al Qaeda became, in effect, the first annex. The United States would strive to eliminate all terrorist networks, dry up their financial support, and prevent them from acquiring weapons of mass destruction. The goal was the "elimination of terrorism as a threat to our way of life."
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2005 03:42 pm
SOURCES:

#1 Osama Bin Laden "Declaration of War Against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places"-1996;
and,
Osama Bin Laden: Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans-1998
http://www.mideastweb.org/osambinladen1.htm
[scroll down to find them both]

#2 Al-Qaida Statement Warning Muslims Against Associating With The Crusaders And Idols; Translation By JUS; Jun 09, 2004
Al-Qaida Organization of the Arab Gulf; 19 Rabbi Al-Akhir 1425
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg00035.html

#3 9-11 Commission, 9/20/2004
www.9-11commission.gov/report/index.htm

#4 Charles Duelfer's Report, 30 September 2004
www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/Comp_Report_Key_Findings.pdf

#5 Secretary of State, Colin Powell’s speech to UN, 2/5/2003,
"sinister nexus"
http://www.state.gov/secretary/former/powell/remarks/2003/17300.htm

#6 "American Soldier," by General Tommy Franks, 7/1/2004
"10" Regan Books, An Imprint of HarperCollins Publishers

#7 The Encyclopedia Britannica
Iraq
www.britannica.com

#8 Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Islamic Movement in Kurdistan
http://en.wikipedia.org

#9 Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Terrorist Incidents
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents#1996
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2005 03:45 pm
Osama’s al Qaeda established bases in Iraq at a time after Osama’s al Qaeda terrorist attack on USA, and USA’s invasion of Afghanistan.
Osama’s al Qaeda established bases in Iraq grew significantly right up to the USA invasion of Iraq.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 4 Sep, 2005 03:47 pm
From Source #8

The following sentences were excerpted from Islamic Movement in Kurdistan, and from Ansar al-Islam, in Wikipedia.

The Islamic Movement in Kurdistan is an Iraqi political party.
Some more radical members joined the al-Queda aligned Ansar al-Islam.
Retrieved from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Movement_in_Kurdistan

Ansar al-Islam is an Islamist group, promoting a radical interpretation of Islam and holy war.
At the beginning of the 2003 invasion of Iraq it controlled about a dozen villages and a range of peaks in northern Iraq on the Iranian border.
It was formed in December 2001 as a merger of Jund al-Islam (Soldiers of Islam), led by Abu Abdallah al-Shafi'i, and a splinter group from the Islamic Movement in Kurdistan led by Mullah Krekar.
Retrieved from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansar_al-Islam
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Relevant Dates:
09/11/2001: Osama’s al Qaeda perpetrates terrorist attack on USA.
+ 1 month, 9 days later.
10/20/2001: USA invades Afghanistan.
+ 2 months later.
12/20/2001: Osama’s al Qaeda establishes training base in Iraq.
+ 1 year, 3 months later.
03/20/2003: USA invades Iraq.
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