real life wrote:Either blind chance and random forces were responsible for assembling the intricate and microscopic order and complexity we see in every organism and in the physical systems of the universe...........
..........or they were not.
Can you suggest a third alternative, DrewDad?
Maybe it was Bumba

the African creator god of vomit.
Better known as the Big Bumba theory.
In the beginning, in the dark, there was nothing but water. And Bumba was alone. One day, Bumba was in terrible pain. He retched and strained and vomited up the sun. After that light spread over everything. The heat of the sun dried up the water until the black edges of the world began to show. Black sandbanks and reefs could be seen. But there were no living things.
Bumba vomited up the moon and then the stars, and after that the night had its own light, too. Bumba was still in pain. He strained again and nine living creatures came forth: the leopard, the eagle, the crocodile, a fish, the tortoise, the goat, the heron, and a beetle. Last of all, came forth men.
The creatures then all created creatures like themselves. The heron created all the birds, the crocodile made all the reptile and snakes, the fish produced all the fish, the beetle produced all the insects.
Getting rid of evolution won't make the god of the bible right by default.
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