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Italian Red Cross helping the enemy?

 
 
Baldimo
 
Reply Thu 25 Aug, 2005 10:00 pm
ROME ?- Italy's Red Cross (search) treated four Iraqi insurgents with the knowledge of the Italian government last year and hid them from U.S. forces in exchange for the freedom of two kidnapped aid workers, a top Italian Red Cross official said in an interview published Thursday.
Maurizio Scelli, the outgoing chief of the Italian Red Cross, told the Turin newspaper La Stampa that he kept the deal secret from U.S. officials, complying with "a nonnegotiable condition" imposed by Iraqi mediators who helped him secure the release of Italians Simona Pari and Simona Torretta. They were abducted in Baghdad Sept. 7 and freed Sept. 28.
"The mediators asked us to save the lives of four alleged terrorists wanted by the Americans who were wounded in combat," Scelli was quoted as saying. "We hid them and brought them to Red Cross doctors, who operated on them."
They took the wounded insurgents to a Baghdad hospital in a jeep and an ambulance, smuggling them through two U.S. checkpoints under blankets and boxes of medicines, Scelli said.
Also as part of the deal, four Iraqi children with leukemia were brought to Italy for treatment, he said.
Scelli said he informed Premier Silvio Berlusconi's government of the deal and of the decision to hide it from the United States through Gianni Letta, an undersecretary in charge of Italy's hostage crises in Iraq.
"Keeping quiet with the Americans about our efforts to free the hostages was an irrevocable condition to guarantee the safety of the hostages and ourselves," he told La Stampa. He said Letta agreed.
Officials at the Italian Red Cross headquarters in Rome said Scelli was out of the office and could not be immediately contacted.
In a statement Thursday, the Italian government stopped short of denying it knew about the deal. It said Scelli acted independently and that the government "never conditioned or oriented his action, which ... was developed in complete autonomy."
The statement also did not directly address if Italy had kept the United States in the dark about Scelli's efforts but reiterated that Italy has always maintained a "full and reciprocal" cooperation with its American allies in Iraq.
In Washington, U.S. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack sidestepped questions on whether the United States has asked the Italian government for an explanation.
"Our views, the United States policies with respect to negotiation with hostage-takers are well known. We don't do it," McCormack said, adding that Rome and Washington are "close friends" and allies in the war on terror.
The head of the Italian parliamentary commission overseeing secret services, Enzo Bianco, said the commission would hold hearings soon with Scelli and government representatives, news agency ANSA reported.
Opposition leaders called on the government to tell Parliament what really happened and contended the alleged deal endangered Red Cross neutrality.
"Scelli conducted an improper negotiation using the symbol of the Red Cross as a shield," said opposition lawmaker Tana De Zulueta. "The Red Cross is obliged to offer assistance to all parties involved in a conflict."
The International Red Cross said it was not involved in or informed of Scelli's activities. It said the Italian Red Cross is an independent organization that doesn't answer to the Geneva-based International Committee of the Red Cross.
"Scelli worked mostly in a personal capacity," said spokeswoman Antonella Notari. "I would not qualify what he did as an Italian Red Cross activity."
Notari would not comment on whether Scelli's initiatives violated the ICRC's pledge of neutrality, saying the commission needed more information from the Italian branch.
Iraqi Deputy Foreign Minister Labeed Abbawi, in Rome, declined to comment about Scelli's allegations, saying "we were not part of that negotiation."
"All we ask countries is that they should not give any political or financial concessions" to insurgents, he added.

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Why is the Red Cross helping our enemies? Are they now choosing sides in this conflict? Have they forgotten that workers for the Red Cross have been killed? I wonder if their is a way to prevent the workers involved from being able to enter Iraq again and if there is some way to punish them for helping and setting free the enemy?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 12:46 am
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Why is the Red Cross helping our enemies?

Shocked
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 12:53 am
Re: Italian Red Cross helping the enemy?
Besides, I think the answer is already given here:

Baldimo wrote:

In a statement Thursday, the Italian government stopped short of denying it knew about the deal. It said Scelli acted independently and that the government "never conditioned or oriented his action, which ... was developed in complete autonomy."
The statement also did not directly address if Italy had kept the United States in the dark about Scelli's efforts but reiterated that Italy has always maintained a "full and reciprocal" cooperation with its American allies in Iraq.
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The International Red Cross said it was not involved in or informed of Scelli's activities. It said the Italian Red Cross is an independent organization that doesn't answer to the Geneva-based International Committee of the Red Cross.
"Scelli worked mostly in a personal capacity," said spokeswoman Antonella Notari. "I would not qualify what he did as an Italian Red Cross activity."
Notari would not comment on whether Scelli's initiatives violated the ICRC's pledge of neutrality, saying the commission needed more information from the Italian branch.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 06:59 am
Is it the job of Red Cross workers to turn the people they treat over to one side or the other?

I thought they just fed and treated people medically and then sent them on their way.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 03:31 pm
kelticwizard wrote:
Is it the job of Red Cross workers to turn the people they treat over to one side or the other?

I thought they just fed and treated people medically and then sent them on their way.


What should a hospital do if someone comes in with a gun shot? Treat them and turn them loose?
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 03:34 pm
Baldimos own people are traitors. Kill them Baldimo, kill kill kill. Or at least cut off their cable access.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 03:42 pm
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
Baldimos own people are traitors. Kill them Baldimo, kill kill kill. Or at least cut off their cable access.


They're not my people. I'm an American and have affiliation with the Italian people or their govt.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 03:45 pm
no affiliation? You pride yourself on not being a white man but rather an Italian when it suits your purposes (whatever the hell they are) but now wish to turn your back on your own kind?

Now who's the turncoat here?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 04:11 pm
Shoot all them pasta-benders . . . then let the Pope sort 'em out . . .
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 05:07 pm
Hiding, aiding and releasing known murderers in agreement for a favor--is negotiating with terrorists. The killers they treated, hid and released have likely killed or will kill troops in Iraq.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 05:15 pm
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
no affiliation? You pride yourself on not being a white man but rather an Italian when it suits your purposes (whatever the hell they are) but now wish to turn your back on your own kind?

Now who's the turncoat here?


Because I come from an Italian heritage doesn't mean I'm Italian. I don't use Italian-American, I use American. My heritage doesn't make me who I am it only gives me my physical looks.

Nice way to turn the thread around at me by the way. Care to say anything about the actual thread?
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 05:41 pm
okay, it's a non issue. who give' a rats ass other than people who want to kill kill kill?
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Amigo
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 05:45 pm
We would have done the same thing for our guys. All is fair in war.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 06:25 pm
Amigo wrote:
We would have done the same thing for our guys. All is fair in war.


We would? How many Americans have had their heads cut off on TV because we wouldn't work with their captors? 5 that I can think of right away.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 06:26 pm
If we were the Italians.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 06:33 pm
Amigo wrote:
If we were the Italians.


Thank God we are not them. They have opened themselves up to more kidnappings and more giving in to their demands. I do feel sorry for them.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 06:57 pm
Nevermind
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2005 07:38 pm
Italian history is a thicket of a complex system, to the extent it maintains structure of system. Baldimo is, I gather more italian than I, as anyone is, me being irish/am. Still, the sensibility you see in the topic example seems prevalent there to me - and sure, not across the board.
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