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Pentagon putting war slogans on gravestones of dead soldiers

 
 
Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2005 06:41 pm
Troops' Gravestones Have Pentagon Slogans

ARLINGTON, Va. -- Unlike earlier wars, nearly all Arlington National Cemetery gravestones for troops killed in Iraq or Afghanistan are inscribed with the slogan-like operation names the Pentagon selected to promote public support for the conflicts.

Families of fallen soldiers and Marines are being told they have the option to have the government-furnished headstones engraved with "Operation Enduring Freedom" or "Operation Iraqi Freedom" at no extra charge, whether they are buried in Arlington or elsewhere. A mock-up shown to many families includes the operation names.

The vast majority of military gravestones from other eras are inscribed with just the basic, required information: name, rank, military branch, date of death and, if applicable, the war and foreign country in which the person served.

Families are supposed to have final approval over what goes on the tombstones. That hasn't always happened.

Nadia and Robert McCaffrey, whose son Patrick was killed in Iraq in June 2004, said "Operation Iraqi Freedom" ended up on his government-supplied headstone in Oceanside, Calif., without family approval.

"I was a little taken aback," Robert McCaffrey said, describing his reaction when he first saw the operation name on Patrick's tombstone. "They certainly didn't ask my wife; they didn't ask me." He said Patrick's widow told him she had not been asked either.

"In one way, I feel it's taking advantage to a small degree," McCaffrey said. "Patrick did not want to be there, that is a definite fact."

The owner of the company that has been making gravestones for Arlington and other national cemeteries for nearly two decades is uncomfortable, too.

"It just seems a little brazen that that's put on stones," said Jeff Martell, owner of Granite Industries of Vermont. "It seems like it might be connected to politics."

The Department of Veterans Affairs says it isn't. "The headstone is not a PR purpose. It is to let the country know and the people that visit the cemetery know who served this country and made the country free for us," VA official Steve Muro said.

Since 1997, the government has been paying for virtually everything inscribed on the gravestones. Before that, families had to pay the gravestone makers separately for any inscription beyond the basics.

It wasn't until the invasion of Iraq in March 2003 that the department instructed national cemetery directors and funeral homes across the country to advise families of fallen soldiers and Marines that they could have operation names like "Enduring Freedom" or "Iraqi Freedom" included on the headstones.

VA officials say neither the Pentagon nor White House exerted any pressure to get families to include the operation names. They say families always had the option of including information like battle or operation names, but didn't always know it.

"It's just the right thing to do and it always has been, but it hasn't always been followed," said Dave Schettler, director of the VA's memorial programs service.

VA officials say they don't know how many families of the nearly 2,000 soldiers and Marines who have died in Iraq or Afghanistan have opted to include the operation names.

At Arlington, the nation's most prestigious national cemetery, all but a few of the 193 gravestones of Iraq and Afghanistan dead carry the operation names. War casualties are also buried in many of the 121 other national cemeteries and numerous state and private graveyards.

The interment service supervisor at Arlington, Vicki Tanner, said cemetery representatives show families a mock-up of the headstone with "Operation Iraqi Freedom" or "Operation Enduring Freedom" already included, and ask their approval.

Former Sen. Max Cleland, D-Ga., who lost both legs and an arm in Vietnam and headed the Veterans Administration under President Carter, called the practice "a little bit of glorified advertising."

"I think it's a little bit of gilding the lily," Cleland said, while insisting that he's not criticizing families who want that information included.

"Most of the headstones out there at Arlington and around the nation just say World War II or Korea or Vietnam, one simple statement," he said. "It's not, shall we say, a designated theme or a designated operation by somebody in the Pentagon. It is what it is. And I think there's power in simplicity."

The Pentagon in the late 1980s began selecting operation names with themes that would help generate public support for conflicts.

Gregory C. Sieminski, an Army officer writing in a 1995 Army War College publication, said the Pentagon decision to call the 1989 invasion of Panama "Operation Just Cause" initiated a trend of naming operations "with an eye toward shaping domestic and international perceptions about the activities they describe."

Mainline veterans groups are taking the change in stride. American Legion spokesman Donald Mooney said the organization hasn't heard any complaints from its members.

"I'm concerned that we do what the families want," said Bob Wallace, executive director of Veterans of Foreign Wars. "I don't think there's any critical motivation behind this."


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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 08:09 am
Why is this featured?
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 09:34 am
McGentrix wrote:
Why is this featured?


Who knows how the minds behind these boards worked. I was pretty surprised when one of my threads in the Spirituality section became featured.

Anyway, I think it's best to say, the family should have the sole right of saying what goes on the stone. The events described in the article were a poor lapse of judgement, possibly someone being a little bit overzealous.
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JustanObserver
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 09:39 am
McG, Remove the "I support anything done by my government regarding the war" goggles for a few minutes, read the article again, and I'm sure you'll find it easier to understand why.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 11:57 am
I can't not see any slogans on the picture from the site you posted.


I do see references to which war they died in. I also see one that said BELOVED FATHER.

My Uncles headstone says WW2. Is that a slogan?

IS BELOVED FATHER now a slogan?

Is identifying the coinflict now lowered to a slogan in the minds of some?

A better question might be WHY IS THIS AN ISSUE??? Are you suggesting we just put their name of the headstone?
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 12:13 pm
The govt issues the stones. The person who died, died defending their country. I highly doubt they'd be upset to learn that their sacrifice was noted on their gravestone.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 12:14 pm
The article says that "Project Iraqi Freedom" was inscribed on a headstone without the family's approval.

That's a marketing slogan.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 12:16 pm
Not sure how I feel about this. Seems like Iraq: 2005 would be adequate. But who knows.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 12:17 pm
So, should we take off "purple heart" and all that jazz too?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 12:17 pm
Or Gulf War II.

Or Afghan War.

Or something. It doesnt' affect me personally, but it does kind of but me that it's so slogany.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 12:22 pm
I remember checking out a national cemetery a few years ago. The office had a book where all sorts of religious and non-religious symbols could be chosen to be placed on a headstone. The point was that it was the families, (or the documented will of the deceased) which decided what logo would be on the stone.

To have the government something on a tombstone w/o permission to me is a breach of decency.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 01:15 pm
Phoenix32890 wrote:
To have the government something on a tombstone w/o permission to me is a breach of decency.


i agree. even the ultimate sacrifice isn't enough to satisfy the need for the administration to be proven right, i guess.

when i think about how these people died ( whether or not they agreed with the cause ) serving their country, it just kills me to think that even in death they could, and possibly, are being used as a marketing tool.

if a family feels strongly that they want that stuff on there, fine. but it should be a special request kind of thing and not something that can happen without explicit instruction.

and if it appears without that instruction, the headstone should be replaced without cost to the family.
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JustanObserver
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 01:17 pm
Phoenix32890 wrote:
I remember checking out a national cemetery a few years ago. The office had a book where all sorts of religious and non-religious symbols could be chosen to be placed on a headstone. The point was that it was the families, (or the documented will of the deceased) which decided what logo would be on the stone.

To have the government something on a tombstone w/o permission to me is a breach of decency.


Bingo. I'm glad someone was able to get the point.

And by the way, to have "WWII" on a gravestone is MUCH different than having "Project Iraqi Freedom" on your gravestone. "PIF" is a political catchphrase that only came about when no WMD's were found.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 01:53 pm
This so much BS. No family has their arm twisted to receive the government issued head stone with the exception of those in Arlington. If one family has an issue with what is on the headstone of their loved one, I would suggest that they replace it with one more to their liking. Making a federal issue of this is ridiculous and serves absolutely ZERO purpose other than to further the absurd goal of the liberals in America who wish to forward their anti-Bush, anti-war message.
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jespah
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 01:55 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Why is this featured?


Why not? Smile

PS Want something featured? Click "Contact us" at the bottom of any page (right side) or click "report" on any post in a topic you want featured, and ask. We don't bite. Cool
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woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 01:57 pm
As I have stated in my earlier post, one gravestone had BELOVED FATHER on it.

Why is that omitted from the article??

WW2 is as much a catch phrase as PIF.

This BS from the a-holes on the anti bush wagon is almost laughable.
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squinney
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 02:00 pm
To anyone who finds this to be no big deal:

Would you like "Project Iraqi Freedom" on your tombstone?
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 02:08 pm
squinney wrote:
To anyone who finds this to be no big deal:

Would you like "Project Iraqi Freedom" on your tombstone?


If I had given my life for it.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 02:11 pm
Bella Dea wrote:
squinney wrote:
To anyone who finds this to be no big deal:

Would you like "Project Iraqi Freedom" on your tombstone?


If I had given my life for it.


Ditto.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2005 02:21 pm
woiyo wrote:
Bella Dea wrote:
squinney wrote:
To anyone who finds this to be no big deal:

Would you like "Project Iraqi Freedom" on your tombstone?


If I had given my life for it.


Ditto.


Same here.
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